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Another Booker T. Washington GTG'er

OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

@ajaan recent thread sparked my interest to ask.

Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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    HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VG08

    Higashiyama
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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Never been able to accurately grade such a toned coin. All I can say, is I see quite a few scratches where the toning is absent, so I can only imagine underneath. Can't imagine asking a gtg on a low grade common commem, so I would assume it garnered a higher grade than 08.
    Jim


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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,185 ✭✭✭✭✭

    G6

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 22, 2024 3:58PM

    MS60- 62

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    Herb_THerb_T Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cleaned

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    Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55

    Mr_Spud

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    HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With guesses between G06 and MS62 we may have broken the record for the widest GTG range.

    Higashiyama
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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Higashiyama - You ain't seen nothing yet!

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Details grade for excessive marks on the obverse. Exceptionally ugly toning as well. My buy price would be 85% of melt value.

    All glory is fleeting.
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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,931 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Environmental damage

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Like I said: You guys ain't seen nothing yet! 🤣 😉

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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    jedmjedm Posts: 2,940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF 20

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    ajaanajaan Posts: 17,124 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS65


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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ajaan said:
    MS65

    Would you like to elaborate on that grade?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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    Davidk7Davidk7 Posts: 234 ✭✭✭

    For those guessing anything less than UNC and/or details, have you seen these BTW Commems with toning like this? My 1946 PDS look similar to this in my Dansco Type album.

    I'm at MS65, I think the chatter on the cheek keeps it from going higher. I also would not be surprised at a higher or lower UNC grade, however, AU would surprise me.

    Collector of Capped Bust Halves, SLQ's, Commems, and random cool stuff! @davidv_numismatics on Instagram

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,508 ✭✭✭✭✭

    vg 8, no cac

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    ajaanajaan Posts: 17,124 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @ajaan said:
    MS65

    Would you like to elaborate on that grade?

    It's a guess.


    DPOTD-3
    'Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery'

    CU #3245 B.N.A. #428


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    OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think I see some luster, so 63 for me. Either way it’s quite the coin. ;)

    Type collector, mainly into Seated. Young Numismatist. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Man, it's all over the map here.

    I'll reveal it tonight. I'm going to need a major reality check on this one!!

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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    jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Last time I checked the grading guide, VG-8 has no luster.

    MS-64, a little chattery but generally smooth.

    "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.

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    HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If that coin is mint state, it is a very strange photo. The coin looks worn, and perhaps damaged a bit along the way.

    Here's a comparison to a heavily toned MS65:

    The photo of the OP coin sure seems to be heavily worn in places such as the hair, eyes, ear, lips and collar.

    Higashiyama
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    HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2024 3:04PM

    PS: though I agree with @jacrispies observation on the luster; the reverse lettering seems sharp and lustrous.

    (though even on the reverse, the photo seems to suggest significant wear on both the log cabin and the hall of fame)

    Higashiyama
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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,672 ✭✭✭✭✭

    G-VG No way that's a near mint state coin. IMHO

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    jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Higashiyama I think it is a combination of toning style and photography style that erases all detail. No shadows created and no toning in the fine details that both give depth to the design.

    I am excited to see what it is graded. Although I am confident in my skill of grading by poor photos, it would be fun to get this totally wrong.

    "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's a comparison with a random PCGS 66 I pulled off eBay.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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    jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR Keep in mind a MS-66 for this very common issue would need a razor sharp strike. The original example appears to be weakly struck for the issue.

    "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's the reality check I need. (refer to my disclaimer)

    It's not my coin. I pulled it off eBay. It didn't look legit to me. I was questioning the coins grade and slab. I pulled the cert. number and it does correspond to a Booker T. Washington. I should have kept the link because now I can't find it on eBay!!

    Your thoughts?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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    jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep, hunch was correct. Terrible lighting and the lack of toning to accentuate the small details. The only thing you can see are the small dings on the portrait (likely partially ignored by PCGS because that is unstruck metal).

    "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,816 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice one!

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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    CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭✭

    That's wild, I would not like the look of that in my collection.

    Cheers, and God Bless, CRHer700 :mrgreen:

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is a simular looking BTW:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/266417192318

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    Here is a simular looking BTW:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/266417192318

    It sure is.

    But I still don't get it! Those comparison side-by-side pictures above, not even close in my opinion.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My offer would still be 85% of melt.

    All glory is fleeting.
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    HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Based on the photos, the @braddick coin looks much nicer — and very believable as MS. I actually like that one quite a lot, especially the remarkable toning, especially of BTW’s irises.

    Higashiyama
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    You ripped off my GTG thread!

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13675174#Comment_13675174

    Kidding of course. I just thought it's funny to see we both posted a GTG from incredibly questionable slabs. My uneducated guess on the grade is VF20.

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    ajaanajaan Posts: 17,124 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the BTW in the OP has to be seen in person to determine the grade. I bet it's a lot nicer in person than the image indicates.


    DPOTD-3
    'Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery'

    CU #3245 B.N.A. #428


    Don

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