Another Booker T. Washington GTG'er

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OAKSTAR
OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
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@ajaan recent thread sparked my interest to ask.

Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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  • Higashiyama
    Higashiyama Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VG08

    Higashiyama
  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Never been able to accurately grade such a toned coin. All I can say, is I see quite a few scratches where the toning is absent, so I can only imagine underneath. Can't imagine asking a gtg on a low grade common commem, so I would assume it garnered a higher grade than 08.
    Jim


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  • privatecoin
    privatecoin Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    G6

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  • braddick
    braddick Posts: 25,185 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 22, 2024 3:58PM
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    MS60- 62

  • Herb_T
    Herb_T Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Cleaned

  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    55

    Mr_Spud

  • Higashiyama
    Higashiyama Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    With guesses between G06 and MS62 we may have broken the record for the widest GTG range.

    Higashiyama
  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Higashiyama - You ain't seen nothing yet!

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  • 291fifth
    291fifth Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Details grade for excessive marks on the obverse. Exceptionally ugly toning as well. My buy price would be 85% of melt value.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,052 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Environmental damage

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  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Like I said: You guys ain't seen nothing yet! 🤣 😉

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  • jedm
    jedm Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VF 20

  • ajaan
    ajaan Posts: 18,005 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS65


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  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ajaan said:
    MS65

    Would you like to elaborate on that grade?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • Davidk7
    Davidk7 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    For those guessing anything less than UNC and/or details, have you seen these BTW Commems with toning like this? My 1946 PDS look similar to this in my Dansco Type album.

    I'm at MS65, I think the chatter on the cheek keeps it from going higher. I also would not be surprised at a higher or lower UNC grade, however, AU would surprise me.

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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,072 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    vg 8, no cac

  • ajaan
    ajaan Posts: 18,005 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @OAKSTAR said:

    @ajaan said:
    MS65

    Would you like to elaborate on that grade?

    It's a guess.


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  • may
    may Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I think I see some luster, so 63 for me. Either way it’s quite the coin. ;)

  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Man, it's all over the map here.

    I'll reveal it tonight. I'm going to need a major reality check on this one!!

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  • jacrispies
    jacrispies Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Last time I checked the grading guide, VG-8 has no luster.

    MS-64, a little chattery but generally smooth.

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  • Higashiyama
    Higashiyama Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If that coin is mint state, it is a very strange photo. The coin looks worn, and perhaps damaged a bit along the way.

    Here's a comparison to a heavily toned MS65:

    The photo of the OP coin sure seems to be heavily worn in places such as the hair, eyes, ear, lips and collar.

    Higashiyama
  • Higashiyama
    Higashiyama Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2024 3:04PM
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    PS: though I agree with @jacrispies observation on the luster; the reverse lettering seems sharp and lustrous.

    (though even on the reverse, the photo seems to suggest significant wear on both the log cabin and the hall of fame)

    Higashiyama
  • Namvet69
    Namvet69 Posts: 9,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    G-VG No way that's a near mint state coin. IMHO

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  • jacrispies
    jacrispies Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Higashiyama I think it is a combination of toning style and photography style that erases all detail. No shadows created and no toning in the fine details that both give depth to the design.

    I am excited to see what it is graded. Although I am confident in my skill of grading by poor photos, it would be fun to get this totally wrong.

    "But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
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  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Here's a comparison with a random PCGS 66 I pulled off eBay.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • jacrispies
    jacrispies Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @OAKSTAR Keep in mind a MS-66 for this very common issue would need a razor sharp strike. The original example appears to be weakly struck for the issue.

    "But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
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  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Here's the reality check I need. (refer to my disclaimer)

    It's not my coin. I pulled it off eBay. It didn't look legit to me. I was questioning the coins grade and slab. I pulled the cert. number and it does correspond to a Booker T. Washington. I should have kept the link because now I can't find it on eBay!!

    Your thoughts?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • jacrispies
    jacrispies Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yep, hunch was correct. Terrible lighting and the lack of toning to accentuate the small details. The only thing you can see are the small dings on the portrait (likely partially ignored by PCGS because that is unstruck metal).

    "But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
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  • Higashiyama
    Higashiyama Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Here’s a link to the Ebay listing:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1946-Booker-T-Washington-Commemorative-Half-MS-66-PCGS-Certified-Color-/153430038967?_ul=AR

    Higashiyama
  • Jimnight
    Jimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice one!

  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Higashiyama said:
    Here’s a link to the Ebay listing:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1946-Booker-T-Washington-Commemorative-Half-MS-66-PCGS-Certified-Color-/153430038967?_ul=AR

    You found it. Thanks!!

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • CRHer700
    CRHer700 Posts: 2,153 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That's wild, I would not like the look of that in my collection.

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  • braddick
    braddick Posts: 25,185 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Here is a simular looking BTW:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/266417192318

  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @braddick said:
    Here is a simular looking BTW:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/266417192318

    It sure is.

    But I still don't get it! Those comparison side-by-side pictures above, not even close in my opinion.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • 291fifth
    291fifth Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My offer would still be 85% of melt.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • Higashiyama
    Higashiyama Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Based on the photos, the @braddick coin looks much nicer — and very believable as MS. I actually like that one quite a lot, especially the remarkable toning, especially of BTW’s irises.

    Higashiyama
  • KiwiNumi
    KiwiNumi Posts: 210 ✭✭✭
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    You ripped off my GTG thread!

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13675174#Comment_13675174

    Kidding of course. I just thought it's funny to see we both posted a GTG from incredibly questionable slabs. My uneducated guess on the grade is VF20.

  • ajaan
    ajaan Posts: 18,005 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I think the BTW in the OP has to be seen in person to determine the grade. I bet it's a lot nicer in person than the image indicates.


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