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1901 Half Eagle GTG-- Grade Revealed

AvocetAvocet Posts: 226 ✭✭✭✭
edited February 18, 2024 2:41PM in U.S. Coin Forum

My friend @asheland suggested I share this coin as a “Guess the Grade.” I am interested in your thoughts about this coin. I plan to post the answer in about 48 hours. Thanks for taking a look!
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS61. I'm not seeing any wear but I am seeing a lot of small marks/hairlines, especially on the obverse.

    All glory is fleeting.
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    jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 845 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS-62. Nice luster, but a few too many hits to warrant a choice grade.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS61 Too many bag marks for a higher grade. Nice way to buy some gold. B)

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My grade would be MS-61. It don't see much, if any wear, but it's got a large number of light bag marks.

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    GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 810 ✭✭✭✭

    I will say MS62

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS62, shot MS61.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,254 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. Nice but dinged up.
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    Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

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    mark_dakmark_dak Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A sucker for all old gold here. Have the follow the crowd on this one, MS61 or MS62. Don't see the hairlines, just typical bag marks many/most of these have.

    Mark

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    OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ms62

    Type collector, mainly into Seated. Young Numismatist. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON

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    Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a 62 to me.

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,398 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2024 9:12AM

    I am going to rock the boat and say 58, field friction is wear. It could be an artifact of the picture but it isn’t how I interpret the photo. I see a shinny chin, neck point and mint surface textures rubbed different, classic AU & Nice coin

    Here is a 61 of the same date and while just as baggy it has consistent luster across the surface

    Edited to add not sure my crappy photos show anything helpful :D

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    JJMJJM Posts: 7,982 ✭✭✭✭✭

    60

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    Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58

    Mr_Spud

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    blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62 RGDS!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.

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    HillbillyCollectorHillbillyCollector Posts: 515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin!
    MS61-62.

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 22,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2024 10:14PM

    It’s pretty in hand and a cool 1989 vintage holder. B)

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    DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58 / 61

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    alaura22alaura22 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58/details

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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,637 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS61

    So Cali Area - Coins & Currency
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    SurfinxHISurfinxHI Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62 pool.

    Dead people tell interesting tales.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alaura22 said:
    58/details

    What do you see that would preclude a straight grade?

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    alaura22alaura22 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not liking the scratch on the obverse right field
    Correct me if I'm not seeing it correctly

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alaura22 said:
    I'm not liking the scratch on the obverse right field
    Correct me if I'm not seeing it correctly

    I don’t like it either but would be very surprised if it resulted in a details-grade.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    alaura22alaura22 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @alaura22 said:
    I'm not liking the scratch on the obverse right field
    Correct me if I'm not seeing it correctly

    I don’t like it either but would be very surprised if it resulted in a details-grade.

    So, what would it take then?

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    zer0manzer0man Posts: 34 ✭✭✭

    I'm in for 58.

    DOG acolyte

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alaura22 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @alaura22 said:
    I'm not liking the scratch on the obverse right field
    Correct me if I'm not seeing it correctly

    I don’t like it either but would be very surprised if it resulted in a details-grade.

    So, what would it take then?

    I’m not being facetious - a worse scratch or scratches, among other possible issues.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    alaura22alaura22 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @alaura22 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @alaura22 said:
    I'm not liking the scratch on the obverse right field
    Correct me if I'm not seeing it correctly

    I don’t like it either but would be very surprised if it resulted in a details-grade.

    So, what would it take then?

    I’m not being facetious - a worse scratch or scratches, among other possible issues.

    Ok,
    I'm not trying to be argumentative, but a scratch is a scratch
    No?
    I'm not basing the OPs coin, I'm just giving my opinion on the GTG

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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62 seems correct.
    Nice piece, I would not be surprised to see it in a 63 perhaps the detractions are much more magnified.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alaura22 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @alaura22 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @alaura22 said:
    I'm not liking the scratch on the obverse right field
    Correct me if I'm not seeing it correctly

    I don’t like it either but would be very surprised if it resulted in a details-grade.

    So, what would it take then?

    I’m not being facetious - a worse scratch or scratches, among other possible issues.

    Ok,
    I'm not trying to be argumentative, but a scratch is a scratch
    No?
    I'm not basing the OPs coin, I'm just giving my opinion on the GTG

    Of course, a scratch is a scratch, but it’s a matter of how severe the scratch is. And I’ve seen (I don’t know how many) hundreds of straight-graded gold coins with scratches as bad as or worse than that. Could I be wrong about this one? Sure, but I’d be surprised.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    alaura22alaura22 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fair enough
    Guess we'll see :)

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    TonedeafTonedeaf Posts: 219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

    Shiny things distract me.

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,306 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've never been a gold collector, but would I be wrong to think that gold being a soft metal, might have more scratches than other Uncirculated coins, even silver? As stated, have never dealt with gold, so I'll not gtg as I wouldn't be interested in a coin with that many scratches, even gold. Just wonder that graders might give uncirculated gold coins a bit of help as to scratches and their effect on grade. The enlargement wouldn't allow much to be missed. Just wondered, not saying that gold should be given a bump in grade for marks.
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    JonBrand83JonBrand83 Posts: 453 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62+ ... despite the scratches I like the look of it and the luster.

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 22,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Remember guys, 1989 holder.

    I will remain silent, but you guys will find the results interesting. >:)

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    semikeycollectorsemikeycollector Posts: 931 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

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    tcollectstcollects Posts: 844 ✭✭✭✭

    55 cac

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @asheland said:
    Remember guys, 1989 holder.

    I will remain silent, but you guys will find the results interesting. >:)

    Are you suggesting that participants should base their guesses upon the time period in which the coin was graded, as opposed to how it looks?

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,084 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS62.

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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 18, 2024 6:10AM

    I like the color- but the slight hairlines/bagmarks prevent a higher grade- 62 tops with 61 being equally probable

    Edited to add:

    I did not think of or even consider the holder in terms of the PCGS generation. asheland might be right in that we all might be surprised if it failed to grade 61.

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,398 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it is an older holder that makes me think 50 or 55 as they were brutal on circulated gold back in the day but I stand by a it as a modern 58

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 22,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 18, 2024 11:20AM

    @MFeld said:

    @asheland said:
    Remember guys, 1989 holder.

    I will remain silent, but you guys will find the results interesting. >:)

    Are you suggesting that participants should base their guesses upon the time period in which the coin was graded, as opposed to how it looks?

    Actually, no, it was in reference to all the details grades, and or pluses, which both didn’t exist back then.

    Back then it was a body bag or a regular grade without a plus.

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    lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,777 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

    LCoopie = Les
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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @asheland said:

    @MFeld said:

    @asheland said:
    Remember guys, 1989 holder.

    I will remain silent, but you guys will find the results interesting. >:)

    Are you suggesting that participants should base their guesses upon the time period in which the coin was graded, as opposed to how it looks?

    Actually, no, it was in reference to all the details grades, and or pluses, which both didn’t exist back then.

    Back then it was a body bag or a regular grade without a plus.

    That does sort of sound like grade guesses should have taken the time period into account (and not guessed plus grades, detail grades, etc.). 😉

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 22,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Definitely, the times were a little simpler, but I’ve seen friends get the dreaded body bag back then :s:D

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