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Look what the cat drug in - a new CBH for the group - Grade posted

pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 10, 2024 1:07PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I know it's really hard to believe I bought a CBH, right? I mean, it's not like I don't have a few of those already. :D


So I really struggled with whether I was going to give this one a chance. Images were okay although a little on the "glamor-shot" side, which made it hard to determine luster and surface quality.

Price was no bargain, but good coins rarely are.

Hmmm'ng and hah'ng and after some negotiations getting things closer to a price we could agree on, the dealer says ... If that works (on the last price) I'll just send it. If you like it, send me a check.

That stopped me for a moment. I think to myself, He knows me. We've done business face-to-face. He has to believe I will like this one.

Okay, I agree, after some more thought.

That was about two weeks ago. He had business and a show and some family things and I think the mail was delayed in there too. The coin arrived yesterday.


Sometimes I run ideas and thoughts past a friend or two. In this case I had only mentioned to one other person that this coin was even coming to me, and neither of us knew for sure what the coin would look like in hand. Neither of us knew or could find where it came from.

My motto is keep it fresh until the deal is done.

It's always good to see what other people think, even if sometimes I have had times I didn't want to hear! But I have always figured if I pass, yet had shared the coin around, and then the dealer got it back and put it back up ... that certainly would leave a small cloud over the coin.

Anyone who noticed might say, Oh, somebody passed.

Almost as bad as a common one I've heard recently, Oh, the coin's been lingering.

That second one's kind of funny to me.

Oh, yeah, but it was priced strong, is kind of a specialist coin, and it didn't get picked in the instant gratification age in the requisite 13 minutes and 27 seconds after it posted.


FWIW, this one lingered at least a few days (maybe a whole week and a half!) before I inquired. And then it took us a couple days after that.

I digress.


I shared her arrival yesterday over texts (or PM's) with half a dozen friends a couple hours after I had it in hand and was able to get some surprisingly good (for me) images.

The consensus was heartwarming, but I had already written the check. She was NOT going anywhere.

Along side of a "How much?" and a "No fair", both of which garnered a good chuckle, one of the responses I got from an old-time CBH guy is as follows;

"I had an undegraded 55 17/3 which I never loved in spite of its nice strike and luster. It was dipped white. I bought it as a placeholder ... and never found "the one" for an upgrade. So I'm always jealous when I see one like this."

I really liked that comment. A lot.

Part of my original hesitation (other than price) was I didn't want a placeholder, and while she may not be super high grade, or the right coin for everybody, she checks off all the right attributes for me, and I am thrilled she is here.


Feel free to GTG or anything else regarding her grading and acceptance in the marketplace, and offer any comments you have about her.

I do love to hear what other people think.


1817/3 O-101 (101.2)

“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”

Todd - BHNC #242


  • TomBTomB Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love 17/3 CBHs and my coin is an O.101a. But beware, after you buy your first one you may find yourself searching out more of them. ;)

    Your piece has very little wear and appears to have lots of luster in the protected areas. It has to be an AU with the only question (with my guess) being AU53 or AU55. I will go with AU55. Nice catch!

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    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

  • RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 508 ✭✭✭✭

    I would not kick her out of bed at any time for any reason, and I am confident of that decision

  • HillbillyCollectorHillbillyCollector Posts: 484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful coin, Todd.
    As to the grade, me and TomB are thinking along the same lines!👍

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Really nice variety! AU55 in my opinion.

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  • jonrunsjonruns Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll guess AU53. Great pick up! And thanks for sharing both your coin and your thoughts. Nice read.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Choice AU.

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 3,978 ✭✭✭✭✭

    17/3 is one of the few cbh where I prefer the early die state.. The "a" state has a nice obv crack, but at the expense of a less pronounced overdate.
    Plus a fully struck head on the eagle.
    (Although the eagles head is almost comically absent on the vlds.. gotta love that!)
    Way to go Todd!
    I'll guess 50..

  • GoldenEggGoldenEgg Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not too dark. Not too white. It’s just right. Nice piece!

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 6,470 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The overdate is sooooo cool. That alone would be compelling to own the coin. I'm going to take a stab at XF45 but I'm probably undershooting the grade. Big congrats to you Todd!

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice original, subdued luster hiding about the perimeter.

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,011 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If funds were available, what was the issue, I would have grabbed it before someone else got it. Love the Die Clash and especially the overdate. Struck so well. Beautiful coin. Congrats, Todd. Fantastic addition. I agree with AU55.

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  • jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 664 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Your cat drug this coin in?? I'll take the CAT!

    One of the much tougher varieties to get in high grades. I like the early die state a lot with the crisp detail and sharp overdate. Great pickup any day of the week! I am excited for you!!!

    I'll throw a guess at a REALLY nice AU-50!

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  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,295 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Even though I know the grade I’ll say it definitely looks undergraded to me. I’m guessing it has very nice luster in hand which in my opinion justifies the likely upgrade this coin may receive one day.

    Beautiful addition to your amazing set, Todd!

    Congrats on picking up a most incredible 1817!


  • BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hey! Great pickup. Remember to check the edge lettering as my example is a choice original XF with doubled edge lettering......

    Oh, by the way AU53 approved in NJ.

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  • Herb_THerb_T Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭✭✭


    I have a 101a, I like your better….

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know it's been less than 24Hrs, but you're killing me with the waiting!

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,500 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you for all the comments, PM’s and texts regarding this one. I appreciate the nice comments.

    And a hearty laugh to @TomB … I was just writing this up as I saw your post come through!

    Like my friend @jayPem , I too wanted an earlier Die State for the variety if possible, for many of the same reasons he mentioned. Usually I like the late die states with cracks and die deterioration, but for this overdate, I always thought the earlier state was the way to go. It is tougher to find in my experience too.

    For those that knew the grade and didn’t let that cloud their post, thanks for keeping it real. For those who didn’t, well, I know what you thought when you first saw it!

    Really good guesses overall, and while many are “wrong” based on the plastic it is in, they are correct in my mind, and probably would be “more right” if I tried to get this regraded.

    I see it as a “50+, shot 53” in hand, and worthy of a bean. There is ample protected luster and nice, mostly mark-free surfaces with good natural color. In my mind this means a 53 is pretty reasonable from PCGS, and maybe she gets a 55 on one of those 10% days (not that I am planning on regrading it any time soon – or ever). At 55, I don’t see the sticker, but I think at 53 she does. I also figured that this was the case when I purchased it.

    No that it matters, but it is in an older blue label holder that appears was probably re-holdered at some point based on the 03786567 certification number. I’m sure some of our Slab experts would know more about that.

    Anyway, here’s a quick shot, in hand, from the work bench.

    Thanks again, everyone! :)

    “We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”

    Todd - BHNC #242
  • TomBTomB Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An AU50? Wow. I got that wrong.

    The earlier blue cert holders from PCGS only had seven digits in their cert numbers. If I recall correctly, I remember seeing 06 and 03 cert numbers done at shows as show grading specials. I could be off on this, but it is what I remember. Your coin is a great example of this super-cool overdate.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

  • Davidk7Davidk7 Posts: 195 ✭✭✭
    edited February 10, 2024 2:22PM

    I was reading this thread and realized I'm late to the party so I scrolled to the end as soon as I saw you began posting the grade, Todd. Beautiful AU50 CAC! Gonna go take a peak after I submit my comment.

    Lmao so I got it completely correct so now you might think I cheated :D (I promise I scrolled past without looking.) Great coin and eye appealing, tough to find these 1817/3 as nice as yours!

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  • HillbillyCollectorHillbillyCollector Posts: 484 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 10, 2024 2:42PM

    No way, an AU50?
    Wish I could find coins that looked like THIS and was only graded AU50!!👍

    Edited for typos.

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