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Graded MS68+ What's keeping it from a MS69?

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 4, 2024 4:45PM

    there appear to be reed marks between the cap & M in unum

    if so, why did it get a plus? tho visually it is highly appealing

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  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Scrape in front of Liberty’s eye, scrape to the right of “T” in United on reverse. This is a 68.

  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bestday said:
    What's keeping it from a MS69?

    Because it is not. it has to be so clean for a 69, heck the description tells you why.

  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,220 ✭✭✭✭

    Sold for $32,000 plus $4,000 for the juice

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,138 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2024 8:38AM

    IF that’s the same coin, I’ve seen it. I think it was Martin Paul’s coin around 20 years ago. He handed it to Laura and me and said ‘what do you grade it’? said wow - 69? And that was despite the one tiny mark of notice to the left of the eagle [which is why I think it’s the same coin as he showed us].

  • erscoloerscolo Posts: 421 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Most of the coins I collect are MS68, and I find that a pleasing grade, a fine example of the minter's art. The difference between a * or a + and the next step up is, like all grading, the opinion of the graders hopefully based in the history of how a particular coin or series has been graded. Like anything, human frailties sometimes get in the way. In any case you have a beautiful silver dollar, 68+ or 69.

  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Slight imperfections.

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  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,263 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just from the two pictures in the thread you can easily see why the OP coin mentioned is not an MS69.

    That 69 is mind blowing.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,293 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1madman said:
    Scrape in front of Liberty’s eye, scrape to the right of “T” in United on reverse. This is a 68.

    Yeah. I don't even like it as a 68+

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,360 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 69 looks almost like a modern day proof. Insane looking Morgan.

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  • mattnissmattniss Posts: 545 ✭✭✭

    Here's the TV of my MS68 -- you can definitely see why the OP's posted coin (deservedly) earned the plus.

  • LuxorLuxor Posts: 398 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Out of all the common date S mints I've seen in 68+, I think this one's my favorite:

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,138 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Luxor said:
    Out of all the common date S mints I've seen in 68+, I think this one's my favorite:

    Why is the cheek so dark?

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,193 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @Luxor said:
    Out of all the common date S mints I've seen in 68+, I think this one's my favorite:

    Why is the cheek so dark?

    It could be the lighting.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 6, 2024 4:40AM

    I’ve seen 67+ and 68 coins that I have liked better at a fraction of the price.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:
    I’ve seen 67+ and 68 coins that I have liked better at a fraction of the price.

    There is one of the most important lessons in collectibles in that statement in that the preservation grade does not always directly align with eye appeal. At the end of the day eye appeal tugs at the heart more than a numerical grade ever will

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2024 8:57AM

    Since we're talking about 69's, just wanted to know if any of you who have seen them think that ANY of the 10 1908 NM Saints given that grade are deserving of it ? I don't believe any have CAC'd.

  • DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GoldFinger1969 said:
    Since we're talking about 69's, just wanted to know if any of you who have seen them think that ANY of the 10 1908 NM Saints given that grade are deserving of it ? I don't believe any have CAC'd.

    Alot of the wells fargo coins are overgraded in my opinion, but I havent seen any of the 69s in hand. Looking at the coinfacts example, It does not look like a 69 to me.

  • Farmer1961Farmer1961 Posts: 166 ✭✭✭

    @RobertScotLover said:
    I broke up with a 10 once because I saw one black hair growing out of here big toe

    This was a more important situation than this coins grade!

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 722 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DeplorableDan said:
    Here’s a 69 for comparison.

    So beautiful. It's a miracle of survival. That must have been hand plucked. I can't imagine that it would continue to be in that condition from a bag or even being dropped into a bin. I have a 68 which suits me just fine. Not as clean as that 69 that's for sure.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,365 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There are tiny marks in the right obverse field, and there is an under the “T” in “UNITED” on the reverse.

    You should hardly be able to see any defects on an MS-69 which is really an MS-70 for a Morgan Dollar since that grade is pretty much impossible for that coin.

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,885 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Graded MS68+ What's keeping it from a MS69?

    1/2 point in grade ?

    PS:
    Nice.

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