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Cameo? Prooflike? The camera doesn't lie!

DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭✭✭

Over the years I've accumulated some CAC coins that appear to be Cameo or Prooflike.  They have mirror surfaces. Finally, I got up the courage to submit them to CACG and asked whether the other two grading services had missed the designations.  Well, here are the results.  The first picture shows what a true Cameo should look like.

Cameo

Not Cameo - notice the dark fields are not consistent

Not Prooflike - there is no dark field!

Oh, Well.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Seeing as how the vast majority of business strike Barber coins aren’t prooflike, it’s not at all surprising that the third coin failed to garner the “Prooflike” designation.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    Seeing as how the vast majority of business strike Barber coins aren’t prooflike, it’s not at all surprising that the third coin failed to garner the “Prooflike” designation.

    I understand; but, in hand, the coin does have mirror like surfaces. Interestingly, I showed JA at FUN some gold commemoratives that also had mirror like surfaces and he said, "Yea, that's the way they come." Apparently, the issue is the fields are not consistent - so the proper term would be semi-prooflike which is not an acceptable term.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DisneyFan said:

    @MFeld said:
    Seeing as how the vast majority of business strike Barber coins aren’t prooflike, it’s not at all surprising that the third coin failed to garner the “Prooflike” designation.

    I understand; but, in hand, the coin does have mirror like surfaces. Interestingly, I showed JA at FUN some gold commemoratives that also had mirror like surfaces and he said, "Yea, that's the way they come." Apparently, the issue is the fields are not consistent - so the proper term would be semi-prooflike which is not an acceptable term.

    Sometimes, coins do exhibit consistent/uniform fields which are somewhat/mildly reflective, but which fall short of being “prooflike”. And I occasionally use the term “semi-prooflike” in coin descriptions, as I believe it has its proper place.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @DisneyFan said:

    @MFeld said:
    Seeing as how the vast majority of business strike Barber coins aren’t prooflike, it’s not at all surprising that the third coin failed to garner the “Prooflike” designation.

    I understand; but, in hand, the coin does have mirror like surfaces. Interestingly, I showed JA at FUN some gold commemoratives that also had mirror like surfaces and he said, "Yea, that's the way they come." Apparently, the issue is the fields are not consistent - so the proper term would be semi-prooflike which is not an acceptable term.

    Sometimes, coins do exhibit consistent/uniform fields which are somewhat/mildly reflective, but which fall short of being “prooflike”. And I occasionally use the term “semi-prooflike” in coin descriptions, as I believe it has its proper place.

    THANK YOU for the clarification.

  • Insider3Insider3 Posts: 94 ✭✭✭

    The first I ever heard of PL coins (late 60's early 70's) was when I saw Al Johnbriar (RIP) going through Joe Gallo's (RIP) rolls of Morgan's and paying a little more for the PL coins. PL and Semi-PL were used for many years. Then, the big grading companies added DMPL and Semi-PL was dropped. At least one TPGS brought back the Semi-PL designation although I've been told that a Semi-PL does not bring more value to a coin. It would be educational for Silver dollar experts to post the timeline for all these designations. I'm going to start a discussion!

  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,743 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes in fact the camera can and does lie, especially when it comes to cameo’s.
    Just keeping it straight.

    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,845 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I disagree with the title of the post: cameras lie more regarding frosty devices than with any other feature a coin may have.

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  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @crazyhounddog said:
    Yes in fact the camera can and does lie, especially when it comes to cameo’s.
    Just keeping it straight.

    Can you post examples?

  • SaamSaam Posts: 445 ✭✭✭

    This brings up something I have thought about in the past. If you have a coin you think could be a candidate for the "proof like" designation, do you have to ask PCGS to consider grading it as such or is that part of the grading process?

  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Saam said:
    This brings up something I have thought about in the past. If you have a coin you think could be a candidate for the "proof like" designation, do you have to ask PCGS to consider grading it as such or is that part of the grading process?

    From what I am learning from the pictures in my initial post, it is already part of the process.

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