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I am curious are there many lower denomination (half reales to 4 reales) Latin American coins at these larger sized shows? Or are they mostly 8 reales that dealers tend to have?

Are there dealers that offer help locating coins one is looking for his collection? And if so what kind of fee do they charge normally?

Collecting interests: Mexico & Peru early milled 1 reales + 1796-1891 US dimes

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  • WCCWCC Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PillarDollarCollector said:
    I am curious are there many lower denomination (half reales to 4 reales) Latin American coins at these larger sized shows? Or are they mostly 8 reales that dealers tend to have?

    Which design?

    If it's pillars per your earlier posts, there are "very few" for some of the Guatemala dates to potentially thousands for the most common Mexico and Peru dates but overwhelmingly in very low quality. The price level reduces the incentive to offer and market it, but if these were not that difficult to find at larger shows, it would be noticeably easier to buy it elsewhere too. I've been to the ANA numerous times and Long Beach once. Never been to the January NY show or FUN.

    @PillarDollarCollector said:

    Are there dealers that offer help locating coins one is looking for his collection? And if so what kind of fee do they charge normally?

    There is a difference between looking and actively looking. There isn't enough money for a dealer to make the effort I infer you are implying. As an example, I once asked Aureo & Calico about a coin they once previously sold. Unsurprisingly, I never heard back.

  • PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2024 9:27AM

    I meant for series for the series I collect 1 reales Mexico 1732-1771 and Peru 1751-1772. WCC when you walked the floor did you see any of these? Or is it mostly 8 reales dealers have? Have you been able to add to your collection going to these type of shows?

    I get what you are saying I have asked World Numismatics LLC to put my name on their list for coins I need and have yet to ever hear back from them same for Daniel Frank Sedwick LLC.

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  • WCCWCC Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2024 9:29AM

    @PillarDollarCollector said:
    I meant for series for the series I collect 1 reales Mexico 1732-1771 and Peru 1751-1772. WCC when you walked the floor did you see any of these? Or is it mostly 8 reales dealers have? Have you been able to add to your collection going to these type of shows?

    I wasn't looking for Mexico pillar 1R, so don't know. I haven't seen any of the Peru pillar minors in the admittedly limited shows I attended, of any denomination.

    I'm not saying none will be available, only that it's likely to be few or very few depending upon quality standards and almost certainly the more common dates which for Peru 1R will be 1753-1757 or near it.

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 23,833 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PillarDollarCollector said:
    I meant for series for the series I collect 1 reales Mexico 1732-1771 and Peru 1751-1772. WCC when you walked the floor did you see any of these? Or is it mostly 8 reales dealers have?

    You’ll find an occasional coin if you look hard enough at enough shows, but online auctions are a more cost efficient way to shop for those particular coins.

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  • SapyxSapyx Posts: 1,965 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For a lot of dealers that specialize in world coins, they may not always display all their stock - especially if there's low demand and/or market value. But they might still have it at the show, kept away from easy view or access but available if someone requests it. Only way to know for sure is to ask each world coins dealer if they have what you're looking for.

    @PillarDollarCollector said:
    Are there dealers that offer help locating coins one is looking for his collection? And if so what kind of fee do they charge normally?

    Most dealers will do this kind of thing for their regular customers. I've never heard of a dealer charging a fee to add your wantlist to their database of wantlists. They don't need to charge you a fee, they will make their profit if they ever find something you're looking for, and sell it to you for more than what they paid for it.

    I do know that, if you've given a dealer your wantlist and they later tell you they found something for you from your wantlist, you'd better buy it unless you've got a very good reason why you can't. They've put in the effort to get you your coin, and they may not have any other customers wanting that coin - if you don't buy it like you inherently promised you would when you gave them the wantlist, then they're likely going to either be forced to hold it in inventory for a long time, or sell it off again at a loss. Rejecting your own wantlist fullfillments is a surefire way to lose your "most favoured customer" trading status with a coin dealer.

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  • ELuisELuis Posts: 769 ✭✭✭✭

    In the shows that have been, across the border, have been only in 6 shows.

    None - of the 20-25 dealers that go to sell coins had any 1/2R - 1R - 2R - 4R or 8R Pillar type for sale.

    I have seen, one on of the shows, that brought 5 albums with a complete set of Mexico coins, in there all the ones that I mentioned above, but was just for display not for sale. He only sold some coins not part of the albums and notes currency.

  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 563 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2024 8:48AM

    In my experience there’s usually a couple overpriced Mexican 1/2 pillars, occasionally a 2 real. Usually some 8R, but that’s be expected. Rarely a 4R. It’s pretty sparse usually. They’re usually sold as type coins, so the overwhelming majority of the dealers wouldn’t have more than one in stock at a time even if they were interested in dealing pillar coins.

    I’ve never seen any of the other mints represented, but I rarely make it out to the larger coin shows.

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  • PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks guys I appreciate the input!!!

    Collecting interests: Mexico & Peru early milled 1 reales + 1796-1891 US dimes

    Sports: NHL & NFL

    Thank you Lord for another beautiful day!!!

  • ELuisELuis Posts: 769 ✭✭✭✭

    I have seen several available 1/2R - 1R - 2R - 4R & 8R - In sites from Spain and Argentina.

    From Spain - delivery to USA simple USPS cannot be trackable there. Tried one time from a site in Argentine, they need it more than the information that I like to provide. There is an auction site in Argentina RPNUMIS where I have seen a lot of Reales that end up sold there. Maybe someone here have follow them.

    HTH

  • PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2024 9:32AM

    Thanks fellas I will stick with the venues I already use. Over time most coins tend to show up for sale. I am in no rush this is not a race it is a life long hobby.

    Maybe one day I will go to the Mexican coin show held in Arizona. Hopefully I can do that at least once in my life. That is the show I would need someone to be on the look out for me and I would pay a finders fee for each coin found that I need for my collection.

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  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 563 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ELuis said:
    I have seen several available 1/2R - 1R - 2R - 4R & 8R - In sites from Spain and Argentina.

    From Spain - delivery to USA simple USPS cannot be trackable there. Tried one time from a site in Argentine, they need it more than the information that I like to provide. There is an auction site in Argentina RPNUMIS where I have seen a lot of Reales that end up sold there. Maybe someone here have follow them.

    HTH

    I pay attention to Rio, Argentina scares me in general with shipping, but they seem to do a good job. I’ve always gotten my coins.

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  • BjornBjorn Posts: 526 ✭✭✭

    This may not be too helpful to the original query, but just as a note, here in the UK one usually finds 8 reales - perhaps they traded as silver bullion back in the 1700s - or really worn and beat 1/2 reales. The 4 reales seem the scarcest. Only the 8 reales are usually in higher grade. The types with the monarch on the obverse are more common than the pillar design.

  • BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PillarDollarCollector said:
    I am curious are there many lower denomination (half reales to 4 reales) Latin American coins at these larger sized shows? Or are they mostly 8 reales that dealers tend to have?

    Are there dealers that offer help locating coins one is looking for his collection? And if so what kind of fee do they charge normally?

    Maybe you should just go to Latin American countries with briefcases full of cash set up in hotel rooms and advertise to buy coins. :s

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  • BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭✭✭



    Here is one from an ANA show some years ago. Bought three as I, and the dealer, were getting ready to leave. I had to make my choices quickly!

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    A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.



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  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 563 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bjorn said:
    This may not be too helpful to the original query, but just as a note, here in the UK one usually finds 8 reales - perhaps they traded as silver bullion back in the 1700s - or really worn and beat 1/2 reales. The 4 reales seem the scarcest. Only the 8 reales are usually in higher grade. The types with the monarch on the obverse are more common than the pillar design.

    That sounds about right in most places. Much of the places in Europe, Mexico, US; this seems to hold true…probably everywhere, including eBay and other online resources

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  • WCCWCC Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On eBay right now in my saved search, 22 Peru pillars excluding 8R. This is for all 84 coins from 1752-1772.

    This includes two 1772 4R and one of the scarcer dates (1772 2R in a details holder). Practically all are from the 1750s as usual. I've had this saved search for somewhere in the vicinity of five years.

  • ELuisELuis Posts: 769 ✭✭✭✭

    I am going to one accross the border, this next March.3.2024

    Will take some of the coins that do not fit anymore on my box and try to sell or trade them.

  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 563 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 16, 2024 11:46AM

    @WCC said:
    On eBay right now in my saved search, 22 Peru pillars excluding 8R. This is for all 84 coins from 1752-1772.

    This includes two 1772 4R and one of the scarcer dates (1772 2R in a details holder). Practically all are from the 1750s as usual. I've had this saved search for somewhere in the vicinity of five years.

    I can’t believe the 1772 2R is still there. It’s a pretty nice coin, even considering the “cleaning.” Weak strike, but still…pretty good price for a pretty scarce Lima 2R that doesn’t have a gaping hole.

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BustDMs said:

    @PillarDollarCollector said:
    I am curious are there many lower denomination (half reales to 4 reales) Latin American coins at these larger sized shows? Or are they mostly 8 reales that dealers tend to have?

    Are there dealers that offer help locating coins one is looking for his collection? And if so what kind of fee do they charge normally?

    Maybe you should just go to Latin American countries with briefcases full of cash set up in hotel rooms and advertise to buy coins. :s

    …and that was the last anyone heard of him.

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