@Halfpence said:
I'm not sure I'd say "good work everyone". At least 10 people claimed (some emphatically) that it was not authentic. Two thought it was genuine. This is a very interesting case study on chat board opinions.
Prior to the reveal, I posted that it was likely genuine, altered surfaces. So I was apparently one of the "two people" who posted "genuine" ? I don't see the other, but no matter.
To the forum's credit, I do have 4 "agrees" and 3 "likes" to my post (not sure when those came in, however).
@Halfpence said:
I'm not sure I'd say "good work everyone". At least 10 people claimed (some emphatically) that it was not authentic. Two thought it was genuine. This is a very interesting case study on chat board opinions.
Prior to the reveal, I posted that it was likely genuine, altered surfaces. So I was apparently one of the "two people" who posted "genuine" ? I don't see the other, but no matter.
To the forum's credit, I do have 4 "agrees" and 3 "likes" to my post (not sure when those came in, however).
I was the first one and I got 5 agrees so I beat you. What did I win?
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@BStrauss3 said:
A sneer and a small can of Snidely Whiplash Mustash Wax
Dang! Now I have to grow a mustache.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@gumby1234 said:
Genuine or fake I wouldn't buy a 25K coin that wasn't certified by a top TPG.
Honest question: what makes this a $25k coin?
It brought approximately that amount several years ago and that’s also the value listed in the PCGS price guide for a straight grade VF30.
But this would not straight grade. I get that it sold for that historically, but altered surface coins like this can be found for under $10k. Perhaps the date is rare?
@gumby1234 said:
Genuine or fake I wouldn't buy a 25K coin that wasn't certified by a top TPG.
Honest question: what makes this a $25k coin?
It brought approximately that amount several years ago and that’s also the value listed in the PCGS price guide for a straight grade VF30.
But this would not straight grade. I get that it sold for that historically, but altered surface coins like this can be found for under $10k.
Please show me where you saw an 1824 example like this one sell for anywhere close to $10,000.
Here’s another sale of a details-grade example all the way back to 2014 that brought more than $25,000.
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Auction 1204 | Lot 5730 » Half Eagles » Early Half Eagles
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Bid Source: Internet
1824 CAPPED HEAD LEFT FIVE, UNC DETAILS BD-1, ONLY VARIETY OF THE DATE
SERVICE
NGC Details
GRADE
MS60
AUCTION ENDED
Apr 27, 2014
Auction Archives
Sold For: $29,490.15
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@gumby1234 said:
Genuine or fake I wouldn't buy a 25K coin that wasn't certified by a top TPG.
Honest question: what makes this a $25k coin?
It brought approximately that amount several years ago and that’s also the value listed in the PCGS price guide for a straight grade VF30.
But this would not straight grade. I get that it sold for that historically, but altered surface coins like this can be found for under $10k.
Please show me where you saw an 1824 example like this one sell for anywhere close to $10,000.
Here’s another sale of a details-grade example all the way back to 2014 that brought more than $25,000.
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Auction 1204 | Lot 5730 » Half Eagles » Early Half Eagles
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Bid Source: Internet
1824 CAPPED HEAD LEFT FIVE, UNC DETAILS BD-1, ONLY VARIETY OF THE DATE
SERVICE
NGC Details
Keep an eye out if this coin appears again on Ebay or any major auction services so we can follow the storyline!
Ouch, the seller took a $10k + Ebay fees overall loss on the coin because of his terrible decision to list it raw with goofy garbage photos. Hopefully a lesson well learned.
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@jacrispies said:
Keep an eye out if this coin appears again on Ebay or any major auction services so we can follow the storyline!
Ouch, the seller took a $10k + Ebay fees overall loss on the coin because of his terrible decision to list it raw with goofy garbage photos. Hopefully a lesson well learned.
Well considering it's not authentic, I'd say $12.6K for ~1/4oz of the Au is phenomenal. Perhaps a gold sticker can get it up to $15K? LOL
@jacrispies said:
Keep an eye out if this coin appears again on Ebay or any major auction services so we can follow the storyline!
Ouch, the seller took a $10k + Ebay fees overall loss on the coin because of his terrible decision to list it raw with goofy garbage photos. Hopefully a lesson well learned.
Well considering it's not authentic, I'd say $12.6K for ~1/4oz of the Au is phenomenal. Perhaps a gold sticker can get it up to $15K? LOL
Did you not pay attention to any of the above where it was determined it is very likely authentic and was once in an authentic holder? THNKS!
Also, what's with the persecution complex re CAC? Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. RGDS!
@jacrispies said:
Keep an eye out if this coin appears again on Ebay or any major auction services so we can follow the storyline!
Ouch, the seller took a $10k + Ebay fees overall loss on the coin because of his terrible decision to list it raw with goofy garbage photos. Hopefully a lesson well learned.
Well considering it's not authentic, I'd say $12.6K for ~1/4oz of the Au is phenomenal. Perhaps a gold sticker can get it up to $15K? LOL
It's authentic although it's been messed with and will not get a straight grade. RGDS!
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Cracked out of a holder still means nothing. TPGs make mistakes.
I was going to say there is a possiblity the Heritage coin was a host to the OP, but the more I looked, there are just too many small matching circulation ticks that could not have been transferred to a fake. It is the same coin. I would still want a pic of the edge reeds though.
Some early coins posted here have been deemed by PCGS as authenticity not verifiable. The coin is raw, and until it gets back into a details slab with authenticity guarantee, the value is speculative. Risk/reward in this auction.
I remain on the fence as a "No Decision" without a chance to see it in hand. The possibility that this is a copy of the Heritage (theoretical host) coin is not zero.
As to the marks, 40+ years ago I saw a counterfeit 1909-SVDB that perfectly replicated the flow lines in the date area for that obverse die. If they can copy flow lines, they can copy marks.
TD
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@jacrispies said:
Keep an eye out if this coin appears again on Ebay or any major auction services so we can follow the storyline!
Ouch, the seller took a $10k + Ebay fees overall loss on the coin because of his terrible decision to list it raw with goofy garbage photos. Hopefully a lesson well learned.
Well considering it's not authentic, I'd say $12.6K for ~1/4oz of the Au is phenomenal. Perhaps a gold sticker can get it up to $15K? LOL
Did you not pay attention to any of the above where it was determined it is very likely authentic and was once in an authentic holder? THNKS!
Also, what's with the persecution complex re CAC? Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. RGDS!
OK wow it may have once been in a holder. No doubt about it then it's authentic. :roll
I remain on the fence as a "No Decision" without a chance to see it in hand. The possibility that this is a copy of the Heritage (theoretical host) coin is not zero. As to the marks, 40+ years ago I saw a counterfeit 1909-SVDB that perfectly replicated the flow lines in the date area for that obverse die. If they can copy flow lines, they can copy marks.
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. With the number of deceptive counterfeits out there, I would not have confidence to bid without inspecting the coin. Again, I would like to see a good photo of the edge.
It would be great to get @burfle23 opinion on this.
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@jacrispies said:
Keep an eye out if this coin appears again on Ebay or any major auction services so we can follow the storyline!
Ouch, the seller took a $10k + Ebay fees overall loss on the coin because of his terrible decision to list it raw with goofy garbage photos. Hopefully a lesson well learned.
Well considering it's not authentic, I'd say $12.6K for ~1/4oz of the Au is phenomenal. Perhaps a gold sticker can get it up to $15K? LOL
Did you not pay attention to any of the above where it was determined it is very likely authentic and was once in an authentic holder? THNKS!
Also, what's with the persecution complex re CAC? Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. RGDS!
OK wow it may have once been in a holder. No doubt about it then it's authentic. :roll
Reading comprehension much? I said "very likely" as seems to be the case. You definitively determined it as unauthentic without seeing it and against a fair amount of evidence because... you're just spouting off as usual? THKS!
Cracked out of a holder still means nothing. TPGs make mistakes.
I was going to say there is a possiblity the Heritage coin was a host to the OP, but the more I looked, there are just too many small matching circulation ticks that could not have been transferred to a fake. It is the same coin. I would still want a pic of the edge reeds though.
Some early coins posted here have been deemed by PCGS as authenticity not verifiable. The coin is raw, and until it gets back into a details slab with authenticity guarantee, the value is speculative. Risk/reward in this auction.
I remain on the fence as a "No Decision" without a chance to see it in hand. The possibility that this is a copy of the Heritage (theoretical host) coin is not zero.
As to the marks, 40+ years ago I saw a counterfeit 1909-SVDB that perfectly replicated the flow lines in the date area for that obverse die. If they can copy flow lines, they can copy marks.
TD
While I generally agree, it's hard to imagine they got all the marks right but not the date.
@gumby1234 said:
Genuine or fake I wouldn't buy a 25K coin that wasn't certified by a top TPG.
Honest question: what makes this a $25k coin?
It brought approximately that amount several years ago and that’s also the value listed in the PCGS price guide for a straight grade VF30.
But this would not straight grade. I get that it sold for that historically, but altered surface coins like this can be found for under $10k.
Please show me where you saw an 1824 example like this one sell for anywhere close to $10,000.
Here’s another sale of a details-grade example all the way back to 2014 that brought more than $25,000.
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Auction 1204 | Lot 5730 » Half Eagles » Early Half Eagles
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Bid Source: Internet
1824 CAPPED HEAD LEFT FIVE, UNC DETAILS BD-1, ONLY VARIETY OF THE DATE
SERVICE
NGC Details
GRADE
MS60
AUCTION ENDED
Apr 27, 2014
Auction Archives
Sold For: $29,490.15
No problem. This was pretty close to $10,000.
That’s the subject coin, correct?
If so, I was asking about previously auctioned examples.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@gumby1234 said:
Genuine or fake I wouldn't buy a 25K coin that wasn't certified by a top TPG.
Honest question: what makes this a $25k coin?
It brought approximately that amount several years ago and that’s also the value listed in the PCGS price guide for a straight grade VF30.
But this would not straight grade. I get that it sold for that historically, but altered surface coins like this can be found for under $10k.
Please show me where you saw an 1824 example like this one sell for anywhere close to $10,000.
Here’s another sale of a details-grade example all the way back to 2014 that brought more than $25,000.
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Auction 1204 | Lot 5730 » Half Eagles » Early Half Eagles
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Bid Source: Internet
1824 CAPPED HEAD LEFT FIVE, UNC DETAILS BD-1, ONLY VARIETY OF THE DATE
SERVICE
NGC Details
GRADE
MS60
AUCTION ENDED
Apr 27, 2014
Auction Archives
Sold For: $29,490.15
No problem. This was pretty close to $10,000.
That’s the subject coin, correct?
If so, I was asking about previously auctioned examples.
It doesn't matter. The sale price represents current market value for such a coin. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak.
@gumby1234 said:
Genuine or fake I wouldn't buy a 25K coin that wasn't certified by a top TPG.
Honest question: what makes this a $25k coin?
It brought approximately that amount several years ago and that’s also the value listed in the PCGS price guide for a straight grade VF30.
But this would not straight grade. I get that it sold for that historically, but altered surface coins like this can be found for under $10k.
Please show me where you saw an 1824 example like this one sell for anywhere close to $10,000.
Here’s another sale of a details-grade example all the way back to 2014 that brought more than $25,000.
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Auction 1204 | Lot 5730 » Half Eagles » Early Half Eagles
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Bid Source: Internet
1824 CAPPED HEAD LEFT FIVE, UNC DETAILS BD-1, ONLY VARIETY OF THE DATE
SERVICE
NGC Details
GRADE
MS60
AUCTION ENDED
Apr 27, 2014
Auction Archives
Sold For: $29,490.15
No problem. This was pretty close to $10,000.
That’s the subject coin, correct?
If so, I was asking about previously auctioned examples.
It doesn't matter. The sale price represents current market value for such a coin. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak.
An auction record is not the “market value”. It’s just a data point.
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@gumby1234 said:
Genuine or fake I wouldn't buy a 25K coin that wasn't certified by a top TPG.
Honest question: what makes this a $25k coin?
It brought approximately that amount several years ago and that’s also the value listed in the PCGS price guide for a straight grade VF30.
But this would not straight grade. I get that it sold for that historically, but altered surface coins like this can be found for under $10k.
Please show me where you saw an 1824 example like this one sell for anywhere close to $10,000.
Here’s another sale of a details-grade example all the way back to 2014 that brought more than $25,000.
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Auction 1204 | Lot 5730 » Half Eagles » Early Half Eagles
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Bid Source: Internet
1824 CAPPED HEAD LEFT FIVE, UNC DETAILS BD-1, ONLY VARIETY OF THE DATE
SERVICE
NGC Details
GRADE
MS60
AUCTION ENDED
Apr 27, 2014
Auction Archives
Sold For: $29,490.15
No problem. This was pretty close to $10,000.
That’s the subject coin, correct?
If so, I was asking about previously auctioned examples.
It doesn't matter. The sale price represents current market value for such a coin. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak.
An auction record is not the “market value”. It’s just a data point.
That’s just silly. It’s the only data point that matters for that coin.
@gumby1234 said:
Genuine or fake I wouldn't buy a 25K coin that wasn't certified by a top TPG.
Honest question: what makes this a $25k coin?
It brought approximately that amount several years ago and that’s also the value listed in the PCGS price guide for a straight grade VF30.
But this would not straight grade. I get that it sold for that historically, but altered surface coins like this can be found for under $10k.
Please show me where you saw an 1824 example like this one sell for anywhere close to $10,000.
Here’s another sale of a details-grade example all the way back to 2014 that brought more than $25,000.
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Auction 1204 | Lot 5730 » Half Eagles » Early Half Eagles
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Bid Source: Internet
1824 CAPPED HEAD LEFT FIVE, UNC DETAILS BD-1, ONLY VARIETY OF THE DATE
SERVICE
NGC Details
GRADE
MS60
AUCTION ENDED
Apr 27, 2014
Auction Archives
Sold For: $29,490.15
No problem. This was pretty close to $10,000.
That’s the subject coin, correct?
If so, I was asking about previously auctioned examples.
It doesn't matter. The sale price represents current market value for such a coin. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak.
An auction record is not the “market value”. It’s just a data point.
That’s just silly. It’s the only data point that matters for that coin.
That’s just silly. It’s the only very recent data point for that particular example, out of a major TPG holder. And that’s not the same thing as the only data point that matters.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@gumby1234 said:
Genuine or fake I wouldn't buy a 25K coin that wasn't certified by a top TPG.
Honest question: what makes this a $25k coin?
It brought approximately that amount several years ago and that’s also the value listed in the PCGS price guide for a straight grade VF30.
But this would not straight grade. I get that it sold for that historically, but altered surface coins like this can be found for under $10k.
Please show me where you saw an 1824 example like this one sell for anywhere close to $10,000.
Here’s another sale of a details-grade example all the way back to 2014 that brought more than $25,000.
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Auction 1204 | Lot 5730 » Half Eagles » Early Half Eagles
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Bid Source: Internet
1824 CAPPED HEAD LEFT FIVE, UNC DETAILS BD-1, ONLY VARIETY OF THE DATE
SERVICE
NGC Details
GRADE
MS60
AUCTION ENDED
Apr 27, 2014
Auction Archives
Sold For: $29,490.15
No problem. This was pretty close to $10,000.
That’s the subject coin, correct?
If so, I was asking about previously auctioned examples.
It doesn't matter. The sale price represents current market value for such a coin. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak.
An auction record is not the “market value”. It’s just a data point.
That’s just silly. It’s the only data point that matters for that coin.
That’s just silly. It’s the only very recent data point for that particular example, out of a major TPG holder. And that’s not the same thing as the only data point that matters.
You're not going to win this.
I agree with @Halfpence. This proves that the market value of an uncertified coin with horrible photos that make it look like a details fake sold by an unknown dealer on eBay is $12,600.
Later this weekend, I'm going to demonstrate that the market price for this coin when sold with no pictures by a Yemeni seller with zero feedback is less than $1.
Sort of interesting the role the images have in connection with shaping the perception of the coin and this Ebay auction outcome. More questions seemed to be raised than answered. I wonder if the images used in the listing remain a permanent record with the Ebay listing for future reference.
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@coinkat said:
Sort of interesting the role the images have in connection with shaping the perception of the coin and this Ebay auction outcome. More questions seemed to be raised than answered. I wonder if the images used in the listing remain a permanent record with the Ebay listing for future reference.
Wow. So a seller can guaranty authenticity; claim the coin in the image is the coin you will receive and assert that the images are his intellectual property which he seems to be under no obligation to preserve as a permanent record of the sale.
That's rich... And fails to pass the straight face test.
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Prior to the reveal, I posted that it was likely genuine, altered surfaces. So I was apparently one of the "two people" who posted "genuine" ? I don't see the other, but no matter.
To the forum's credit, I do have 4 "agrees" and 3 "likes" to my post (not sure when those came in, however).
If it's genuine then it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong on these boards, and if I keep posting it definitely won't be the last, either!
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Genuine or fake I wouldn't buy a 25K coin that wasn't certified by a top TPG.
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Honest question: what makes this a $25k coin?
It brought approximately that amount several years ago and that’s also the value listed in the PCGS price guide for a straight grade VF30.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
But this would not straight grade. I get that it sold for that historically, but altered surface coins like this can be found for under $10k. Perhaps the date is rare?
I'm leaning heavily to 'no'.
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Please show me where you saw an 1824 example like this one sell for anywhere close to $10,000.
Here’s another sale of a details-grade example all the way back to 2014 that brought more than $25,000.
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Auction 1204 | Lot 5730 » Half Eagles » Early Half Eagles
1824 $5 -- Obverse Damage -- NGC Details. Unc. BD-1, High R.5. (PCGS# 8132)
Bid Source: Internet
1824 CAPPED HEAD LEFT FIVE, UNC DETAILS BD-1, ONLY VARIETY OF THE DATE
SERVICE
NGC Details
GRADE
MS60
AUCTION ENDED
Apr 27, 2014
Auction Archives
Sold For: $29,490.15
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Auction ends tomorrow and I was outbid.
Would you buy it for $5101 (current bid w/ 3 hours to go), that is the question.
If you have to ask you already knew.
No problem. This was pretty close to $10,000.
Keep an eye out if this coin appears again on Ebay or any major auction services so we can follow the storyline!
Ouch, the seller took a $10k + Ebay fees overall loss on the coin because of his terrible decision to list it raw with goofy garbage photos. Hopefully a lesson well learned.
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Well considering it's not authentic, I'd say $12.6K for ~1/4oz of the Au is phenomenal. Perhaps a gold sticker can get it up to $15K? LOL
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
Did you not pay attention to any of the above where it was determined it is very likely authentic and was once in an authentic holder? THNKS!
Also, what's with the persecution complex re CAC? Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. RGDS!
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It's authentic although it's been messed with and will not get a straight grade. RGDS!
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I remain on the fence as a "No Decision" without a chance to see it in hand. The possibility that this is a copy of the Heritage (theoretical host) coin is not zero.
As to the marks, 40+ years ago I saw a counterfeit 1909-SVDB that perfectly replicated the flow lines in the date area for that obverse die. If they can copy flow lines, they can copy marks.
TD
OK wow it may have once been in a holder. No doubt about it then it's authentic. :roll
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
@CaptHenway said:
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. With the number of deceptive counterfeits out there, I would not have confidence to bid without inspecting the coin. Again, I would like to see a good photo of the edge.
It would be great to get @burfle23 opinion on this.
Reading comprehension much? I said "very likely" as seems to be the case. You definitively determined it as unauthentic without seeing it and against a fair amount of evidence because... you're just spouting off as usual? THKS!
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While I generally agree, it's hard to imagine they got all the marks right but not the date.
That’s the subject coin, correct?
If so, I was asking about previously auctioned examples.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
This coin is genuine. The breads fit the genuine design. this particularity, never was perfect copy by the fakers.
The date it is MPD miss placed date.
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It doesn't matter. The sale price represents current market value for such a coin. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak.
An auction record is not the “market value”. It’s just a data point.
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That’s just silly. It’s the only data point that matters for that coin.
That’s just silly. It’s the only very recent data point for that particular example, out of a major TPG holder. And that’s not the same thing as the only data point that matters.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
You're not going to win this.
I agree with @Halfpence. This proves that the market value of an uncertified coin with horrible photos that make it look like a details fake sold by an unknown dealer on eBay is $12,600.
Later this weekend, I'm going to demonstrate that the market price for this coin when sold with no pictures by a Yemeni seller with zero feedback is less than $1.
Sort of interesting the role the images have in connection with shaping the perception of the coin and this Ebay auction outcome. More questions seemed to be raised than answered. I wonder if the images used in the listing remain a permanent record with the Ebay listing for future reference.
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90 days
The buyer has over 21000 feedbacks. They should be experienced enough to get it authenticated and likely resell it. That or get their money back.
90 days??
Wow. So a seller can guaranty authenticity; claim the coin in the image is the coin you will receive and assert that the images are his intellectual property which he seems to be under no obligation to preserve as a permanent record of the sale.
That's rich... And fails to pass the straight face test.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Never mind.