$5 early gold die issue?

JW77

I have never seen this before. Looks like gold spilled over denticles onto the reverse by "united" when minted. Would this be considered a distraction impacting value of the coin? I should mention this is a 1805 $5 gold PCGS 55. Is this a common occurrence with early gold. Thanks in advance for the help.

PeakRarities

Late die state of BD-1, its just a cud that developed after the dies became worn out. Fairly common on several different issues of early $5. Though it is a very small "distraction", I would much prefer a small reverse cud over heavy adjustment marks, planchet voids, or a lousy strike. Sometimes when its a huge cud on the oberse it bothers me a tiny bit, but on that specific example it does not bother me at all.

JW77

Perfect, thanks Dan. Your the man on early gold!

Smudge

Nice color, would like to see the obverse.

JW77

@Smudge said:
Nice color, would like to see the obverse.

Here you go:

BillJones

When I was young, I had an 1798 half eagle that had edge cuds that were much bigger than those. Walter Breen described the variety as something you could see “across the room.” In my youth, I foolishly sold it.

rays

A cud like that has no impact on value. A larger one on the obverse, maybe.
The attractive obverse toning is more important, imo.

RobertScotLover

The rev cud adds additional value for me

Nysoto

The cuds are formed when stress cracks around letters, numbers or stars become worse and can form a retained cud, and when that affected part of the die falls out it becomes a full cud. There are very few collectors of early gold by die state because of cost, and the cuds don't really change the value of the coin. I like them and have quite a few silver and copper cuds, and one early gold.

I wanted this half eagle with two cuds for about 25 years. These are full cuds because the areas opposite of the cuds are not fully formed

JW77

So now I understand what a cud is. Thanks for the education. But who came up with the term "cud". Is it an acronym, or just a weird word? The numismatists of a time ago could not come up with a more pleasing term.

PeakRarities

Tell you the truth I’m not sure about the nomenclature either, but it is a strange word.

rte592

@JW77 said:

@Smudge said:
Nice color, would like to see the obverse.

Here you go:

Is it just me...the obverse looks a little crowded.
Star touching the Y in liberty and all.

PeakRarities

@rte592 said:

@JW77 said:

@Smudge said:
Nice color, would like to see the obverse.

Here you go:

Is it just me...the obverse looks a little crowded.
Star touching the Y in liberty and all.

bd-1

Nysoto

From The Cud Book by Sam Thurman and Arnold Margolis ""Del Ford published the term "cud" in "U.S. Major and Minor Mint Errors." In his explanation, he indicated the error looked like a chew or cud of tabacco""

silviosi

History of Cuds.
The term cud was first used by Mort Goodman in his writings on mint errors in the 1960s. He first used the term **"design cud." **What was once a collector's term has now been accepted by the minting industry and the numismatic field for the type of mint error it describes. The concept is not that different from a cow's cud that is ruminated from one stomach to another. In coining the ruminated material is metal from the mass of the blank filling the cavity broken away from the edge of the die, or from the collar. See also _broken die, collar break.
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Reference:
1979 Marvin and Margolis, The Design Cud.
1991 Margolis: (on face) p 219-224; (on edge) 175-180.