Can a PCGS submitter request "No TrueView" images?

Nic

A TV is automatic at certain levels of service. Is this mandatory or can one opt out?

redraider

Its automatic with GoldShield to my knowledge.

P0CKETCHANGE

That this question is even being asked is a bad sign for our hosts.

MWallace

@P0CKETCHANGE said:
That this question is even being asked is a bad sign for our hosts.

How so?

winesteven

@MWallace said:

@P0CKETCHANGE said:
That this question is even being asked is a bad sign for our hosts.

How so?

My sense is that at times the True Views are "Not So True" Views. As such, maybe the op is hoping to avoid a TV on a coin that might be difficult for PCGS to accurately show an eye appealing coin. When the time comes to sell, whether in an auction or even privately, a TV that reflects poorly on the actual eye appeal can hurt significantly if the potential buyer cannot see the coin in hand!!!!!!!!!!.

Just my two cents!

Steve

MsMorrisine

a decent photo, at minimum, is a good anti-counterfeit measure

winesteven

@MsMorrisine said:
a decent photo, at minimum, is a good anti-counterfeit measure

True, for a different looking phony coin for the cert number it uses. But as noted, having a TV that makes the actual eye appeal of a nice coin look worse than it is, is VERY costly!

morgandollar1878

With all of the counterfeit slabs floating around, why would you want to do that?

winesteven

@morgandollar1878 said:
With all of the counterfeit slabs floating around, why would you want to do that?

Risk and Reward - Compare the odds. What are the odds of me buying a coin in a PCGS holder with a CAC sticker from a major auction house or reputable dealer that’s counterfeit, versus the odds of getting a True View that reflects a noticeably lower eye appeal than the coin in hand? Even though in the former case the loss is 100%, and the latter case maybe 20%, when you look at the odds, even though both happen, I believe collectors get hurt with more dollars lost from poor TV’s versus buying counterfeit coins in counterfeit PCGS holders.

Steve

FlyingAl

@morgandollar1878 said:
With all of the counterfeit slabs floating around, why would you want to do that?

So that coins worth hundreds of thousands of dollars don't have pictures attached to them that make the coins look like crap.

Floridafacelifter

Maybe if you write on the submission form “PLEASE DO NOT PHOTOGRAPH COIN!!!”

Because they might take a coin that looks like this

And make it look like this

winesteven

UGH!!! WOW!!!

Steve

pursuitofliberty

@FlyingAl said:

@morgandollar1878 said:
With all of the counterfeit slabs floating around, why would you want to do that?

So that coins worth hundreds of thousands of dollars don't have pictures attached to them that make the coins look like crap.

Well said.

And not just hundreds of thousands of dollars. I'd like well represented images, or none at all for ALL of my coins, especially when they are attached forever for everyone to view. When the time comes, crappy images cost sellers real money ... and they aren't any fun to look at in between either.

morgandollar1878

@pursuitofliberty said:

@FlyingAl said:

@morgandollar1878 said:
With all of the counterfeit slabs floating around, why would you want to do that?

So that coins worth hundreds of thousands of dollars don't have pictures attached to them that make the coins look like crap.

Well said.

And not just hundreds of thousands of dollars. I'd like well represented images, or none at all for ALL of my coins, especially when they are attached forever for everyone to view. When the time comes, crappy images cost sellers real money ... and they aren't any fun to look at in between either.

@winesteven said:

@morgandollar1878 said:
With all of the counterfeit slabs floating around, why would you want to do that?

Risk and Reward - Compare the odds. What are the odds of me buying a coin in a PCGS holder with a CAC sticker from a major auction house or reputable dealer that’s counterfeit, versus the odds of getting a True View that reflects a noticeably lower eye appeal than the coin in hand? Even though in the former case the loss is 100%, and the latter case maybe 20%, when you look at the odds, even though both happen, I believe collectors get hurt with more dollars lost from poor TV’s versus buying counterfeit coins in counterfeit PCGS holders.

Steve

Ok, to avoid sub-par pics. I know in the past that you could request different pics of the coin since they took more than one set of pics for the same coin.

winesteven

Sometimes that could help, but sometimes not. Having photos reshot could work, but then there’s extra shipping risk of theft, and sometimes PCGS will pick up round-trip shipping costs, but sometimes not.

Not my point just made, but if you think this is so uncommon, just late TODAY a dealer at Long Beach emailed me a phone photo of a coin he saw on the floor that I may want for an upgrade. Here’s his photo. Not nearly good enough quality for me to make a buying decision. So I looked up the True View. Have you EVER seen a worse True View in your life????? Look it up yourself if you think I phonied this! Naturally, I passed on buying this potential upgrade.

Steve

robec

@winesteven said:
Sometimes that could help, but sometimes not. Having photos reshot could work, but then there’s extra shipping risk of theft, and sometimes PCGS will pick up round-trip shipping costs, but sometimes not.

Not my point just made, but if you think this is so uncommon, just late TODAY a dealer at Long Beach emailed me a phone photo of a coin he saw on the floor that I may want for an upgrade. Here’s his photo. Not nearly good enough quality for me to make a buying decision. So I looked up the True View. Have you EVER seen a worse True View in your life????? Look it up yourself if you think I phonied this! Naturally, I passed on buying this potential upgrade.

Steve

Steve I think that’s an old Secure Plus scan they used for the sniffer, which isn’t used any longer. There are still a few of those being used as the cert photo which is unfortunate. It is quite possible the photo department may have the real photos in their database. It might be worth a call or email to the photo department or customer service.

winesteven

I didn’t buy this coin that the dealer showed me about seven hours ago, so no need for me to put in time for this. My point was to show that just today, a poor cert photo can kill a sale!

Steve

leothelyon

I have experienced this on ebay w/Jefferson nickels. Why the seller is not using the TV when the slab clearly shows a shield. But it's about 50/50 with what I'm expecting. And not every TV shows the strike accurately every time but I just live with it.

Leo