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An interactive GTG- $10 Indian - REVEALED

DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 1, 2024 7:08AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I just cracked this coin out of its previous holder, and it is getting shipped to NGC today. I’m submitting express, so I should have the results within the next couple weeks hopefully, and I’ve also included a video. I have my reasons for using NGC on this sub.

This is a two part GTG. What is YOUR grade for this coin, and what do you think NGC will grade it?




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  • JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 2,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55-58

  • DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JimTyler said:
    55-58

    I’ll assume that’s your grade, but do you think NGC will grade it at that level?

  • lermishlermish Posts: 1,727 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2024 8:19AM

    I'm not sure how to feel about those hairlines. The lighting could be accentuating them. The video is helpful because I am not sure whether Liberty's hair is rubbed or a poor strike but there appears to be clear rub on the eagle's wing.

    I give it AU58
    I think NGC also gives it a 58.

    EDIT: Removed alternate details guess based on new photos.

  • DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lermish said:
    I'm not sure how to feel about those hairlines. The lighting could be accentuating them. The video is helpful because I am not sure whether Liberty's hair is rubbed or a poor strike but there appears to be clear rub on the eagle's wing.

    I give it AU58 (shot AU Details if the grader got a traffic ticket on the way in to work).
    I think NGC also gives it a 58.

    Don’t think too hard about the hairlines, the lighting I used for the raw shots was pretty harsh. Alternate photos added.

  • jughead1893jughead1893 Posts: 816 ✭✭✭✭

    The fields looked reflective in the video to me.Maybe going for a PL ? From the pics I'm at 62

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,471 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You stumped me, some photos make it look AU and some make it look MS.

    AU-63 :D

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,618 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jughead1893 said:
    The fields looked reflective in the video to me.Maybe going for a PL ? From the pics I'm at 62

    The coin has zero chance of a PL designation. Indian gold coins don't exhibit PL surfaces, at least not naturally.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • mattnissmattniss Posts: 540 ✭✭✭

    Another episode of the "is it high AU or low MS" gold game! B)

    Going to guess it was in an AU55 holder first. I grade the coin AU58. Also going to guess (and hope) that NGC will slab it as a MS61. :wink:

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,050 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The surfaces look off. I’d call it AU details altered surfaces. If it straight graded, I think it grades at AU55

  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,896 ✭✭✭✭

    AU, but 50-50 shot as to details or not. Flip (that) coin!

  • HillbillyCollectorHillbillyCollector Posts: 482 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2024 9:02AM

    Yeah, I’m with AU details currently as well. I just can’t get by those hairlines, and the surfaces just look a little off. Can’t quite put my finger on it.
    I would probably be hopeful for a AU55 (and not a details) from NGC but I don’t know. Hope I’m wrong and shooting low.

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2024 9:03AM

    I'm not familiar with the $10 series so I'll probably embarass myself but hey, who cares, right ?:)

    When you did the rotation under the lights, the color seemed to have great luster and I saw clean fields. But I know that can be a lighting thing. Anyway, I was thinking MS-64 or even MS-65.

    Then I saw the pics and alot of the blemishes are visible. I didn't see any wear on the high points (not even 100% sure what the high points are, FWIW) but I was thinking more like MS-63.

    So, I think MS-63 at worst, MS-65 at best. I would have assumed that I missed wear on the coin (not being familiar with the coin) and that NGC might score it an AU-58; reading the posts, it appears that might be too optimistic.

  • DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I want to hear @PerryHall’s guess

  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭✭✭

    au58.

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  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 679 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't know gold very well. I won't guess a grade but I will say that's a very cool coin.
    I almost bought an AU from a dealer in New Hampshire but he wouldn't give me a price. He was upset with the grade and said it needed to be resubmitted. Makes me wonder if it found its way to you Dan. The coin was AU 58 and it was in an NGC holder.

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2024 10:15AM

    It’s a really nice lustrous coin. I would think 58 but with its pizzaz…an optimist.

    Yes take your shot for the end zone. However Considering it’s high MV I would think they will scrutinize it thoughly.

    If you average 65 and 58 ——- 63 sounds good. If raw would just put CH BU on the 2x2 lol. I don’t use the silly little numbers on raw stuff. But shot 63-65 grade imo. So why not Gem BU?

    As far as their grade if our WR stays in bounds he has a good chance to score. I submit to win / not tie or lose.

    Irregardless of what they grade it - a really nice lustrous type piece. If it makes 64 or 65 —-party time!! CPG for 64 is $79k!

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,173 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DeplorableDan said:
    I want to hear @PerryHall’s guess

    Cleaned-AU details. Light wear with all those hairlines indicating a past cleaning. Of course, I may have a different opinion of the grade if I were able to examine it in hand. It will be interesting to see what NGC's opinion will be.

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  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58 tops, I'd call it AU dets personally.

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ME: 55.
    NGC: 58.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2024 10:16AM

    PCGS Gen 98(traces of putty by date and other) NGC AU details. NGC isn’t the cake walk people think it is. Assuming you hit it with acetone and seeing that it is an 11D a 55 grade is possible. That date comes grainy so I don’t think it has been fooled with too much. One of the nicer 11d’s I have seen regardless and I think it is worth mid AU money which is my grade.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2024 10:17AM
  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2024 10:27AM

    Disagree - a wealthy client, very astute Coin Investor prefers better date coins as type pieces in many instances. If you have $65 m in the bank (and have everything else under the sun - swanky PH condo, cars, guns, boats, college cheerleader GF) $80 k next to nothin.

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  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dan, I would have to agree with Mr. Feld, as the luster looks impaired to me.

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it at 58.

  • JonBrand83JonBrand83 Posts: 443 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I dont like it at all. I think it looks cleaned with a brush or something like that. Details for me.

    I think NGC will straight grade it at 58 because there are good details and a little luster.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,618 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Cougar1978 said:
    It’s a really nice lustrous coin. I would think 58 but with its pizzaz…an optimist.

    Yes take your shot for the end zone. However Considering it’s high MV I would think they will scrutinize it thoughly.

    If you average 65 and 58 ——- 63 sounds good. If raw would just put CH BU on the 2x2 lol. I don’t use the silly little numbers on raw stuff. But shot 63-65 grade imo. So why not Gem BU?

    As far as their grade if our WR stays in bounds he has a good chance to score. I submit to win / not tie or lose.

    Irregardless of what they grade it - a really nice lustrous type piece. If it makes 64 or 65 —-party time!! CPG for 64 is $79k!

    So you "would think 58" but also "shot 63-65 grade imo". Way to step out on a limb there.
    Are two of you posting under the same account?

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • skier07skier07 Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There really is very little financial incentive to submit the coin ATS unless it straight grades as a 62 or higher.

  • OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Me: 58
    NGC: 62

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  • PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,574 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU Details

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,618 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @skier07 said:
    There really is very little financial incentive to submit the coin ATS unless it straight grades as a 62 or higher.

    Did you see the D mintmark on the back of the coin?

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  • RLSnapperRLSnapper Posts: 490 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know nothing about grading these coins. I would guess AU alt. surfaces...cracked out...acetone bath.....NGC AU55.

  • johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU Details to AU58

  • Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Feels like 58, possibility of details grade - but too hard to tell with photos. I think one of those you can likely keep submitting until you get the final answer (i.e. final resting plastic).

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,578 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Me thinks a high AU is better than a low MS so I'm rootin for a 58. Glad members shared their observations. Good luck. Peace Roy

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  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55/58

    NGC 58

  • ms71ms71 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2024 12:34PM

    The fields exhibit what is often called "frosty" surfaces, seen on many 1911s. A super-minute graininess almost. It's a very attractive characteristic in hand, and extremely difficult to capture photographically. Here's a photo of a PCGS MS65 CAC.

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  • SurfinxHISurfinxHI Posts: 2,322 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU details.

    While the hairlines might be "cabinet friction" or "stacking friction" my guess is that they are there from a harder wipe rather than stacking. So, I'm going with details.

    Good luck.

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  • skier07skier07 Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @skier07 said:
    There really is very little financial incentive to submit the coin ATS unless it straight grades as a 62 or higher.

    Did you see the D mintmark on the back of the coin?

    My bad. I didn’t see the D.

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,722 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd call it a 58, and I think NGC would as well.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,263 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU Details, THKS!

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  • mirabelamirabela Posts: 4,937 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unc details, cleaned (or, altered surfaces or something like that) -- from the still pics I'd have said AU58 but from the video I doubt it grades straight. I'll be interested to see the reveal when it happens.

    mirabela
  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58 for me and NGC.

  • johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:
    It’s a very generous giveaway no matter what it grades

    Give away?

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnny010 said:

    @Crypto said:
    It’s a very generous giveaway no matter what it grades

    Give away?

    1st correct guess gets the coin right ;)

  • JerseyBJerseyB Posts: 66 ✭✭✭

    I'll guess 58 if it straight grades

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 2,426 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Previous grade details
    NGC MS62

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,263 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:
    It’s a very generous giveaway no matter what it grades

    You should aim higher. Not sure dreck classifies for a generous giveaway....Although it is the Au so at least it has fair melt value. RGDS!

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