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1976 Topps Walter Payton vs. 1986 Topps Jerry Rice

JimMeantJimMeant Posts: 341 ✭✭✭

I’ve been SLOWLY crossing some cards off my want list and picking up some cards for my PC over the last few years.

I have a chance to buy another big card and I’m going back & forth over a really nice Walter Payton RC or a high end Jerry Rice RC to purchase.

Assuming both cards are really well centered with nice surfaces and color, which would most collectors prefer?

1976 Topps Walter Payton PSA 8
OR
1986 Topps Jerry Rice PSA 8.5

Somewhat similar price points, so I’m curious which card most collectors would prefer to add to their own PC.

-Collecting anything vintage
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  • olb31olb31 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Payton.

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  • BBBrkrrBBBrkrr Posts: 896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sweetness. All day long.

  • Bear48Bear48 Posts: 238 ✭✭✭

    Payton

  • 80sOPC80sOPC Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sweetness, yup.

  • brad31brad31 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Payton.

  • swish54swish54 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭✭

    Payton

  • baz518baz518 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭✭

    Payton for sure... I'd also look at higher graded SGCs with a similar price point.

  • CWUCAT62CWUCAT62 Posts: 91 ✭✭✭

    Both are great cards, but Payton would be my choice for you.

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  • DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,300 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll go Rice, more upside maybe

  • ArtVandelayArtVandelay Posts: 635 ✭✭✭✭

    No question. Payton.

  • Sir Walter for sure!!!

  • WFFLWFFL Posts: 494 ✭✭✭

    Payton. Without checking the pop reports probably in his favor.

  • lahmejoonlahmejoon Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭

    Love Jerry Rice, but I would also go Payton.

  • equal greatness !

  • 82FootballWaxMemorys82FootballWaxMemorys Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Payton

    If Rice was 9 then I'd have to give it serious thought

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  • TiborTibor Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Payton. To even ask this question you will
    be denied Secret Handshake privileges. :D

  • FirstBeardFirstBeard Posts: 454 ✭✭✭

    Jerry Rice has so many more TDs than 2nd place. Walter is not 1st in any category. Get the GOAT.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 7,805 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sentiment favors Walter. Statistics favor Jerry. Tough choice. Buy them both? But if have to choose, ever so slight edge to Jerry with the 1/2 grade edge.

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  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The kid in me says Payton but the more logical adult in me says Rice.

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  • BaltimoreYankeeBaltimoreYankee Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd go with the Payton.

    Daniel
  • FirstBeardFirstBeard Posts: 454 ✭✭✭

    Aesthetically, Walter has a way prettier card. And wenever I see that "Man of the Year" silhouette on the back of a player's helmet, I get the chills. I don't think there is a wrong choice. I like the advice above - buy both. ;)

  • BBBrkrrBBBrkrr Posts: 896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just love the 76 set. Topps did their best work of the decade for baseball and football with the 76s. Both are my favorites of the 70s.

  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Payton. Look how constant 1986 wax boxes are for sale. Not drying up in our lifetime I think.
    Payton

  • 1976 Payton: 12,943 total graded
    PSA 8 Payton: 2,996 (23% of pop)
    PSA 8.5: 148
    PSA 9: 726
    PSA 10: 54

    Pop Higher: 928 (7.2% of pop)

    1986 Rice: 33,330 total graded
    PSA 8.5: 521 (1.5% of pop)
    PSA 9: 1,083
    PSA 10: 62

    Pop Higher: 1,145 (3.4% of pop)

    Based on the numbers, the Jerry Rice PSA 8.5 is a tougher high grade. If the percentages were closer, I'd go with the Payton but with only 4.9% of the 1986 Topps Jerry Rice PSA graded cards rated at 8.5 or better, that's my choice.

  • ndleondleo Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From a football nerd point of view, RBs like Payton (Barry and Emmitt) will be rare going forward. The passing game is wide open now, I think the modern WRs may end up eclipsing the stats of Rice and other retired WRs. Based on today's game, I don't see to many modern RBs making a run at the legends.

    Mike
  • DBesse27DBesse27 Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Payton.

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  • Copyboy1Copyboy1 Posts: 468 ✭✭✭✭

    Rice is my favorite player ever. Sweetness is my #2. But you gotta go with the Payton.

    If it was a Rice 9, I might change my answer.

  • Chicago1976Chicago1976 Posts: 443 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @UFFDAH said:

    Good Lord, the centering on that Payton looks really good. Must be tempting to open...lol

  • olb31olb31 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @UFFDAH said:

    wow!! just wow!!

    Work hard and you will succeed!!
  • olb31olb31 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PatriotTrading said:

    1976 Payton: 12,943 total graded
    PSA 8 Payton: 2,996 (23% of pop)
    PSA 8.5: 148
    PSA 9: 726
    PSA 10: 54

    Pop Higher: 928 (7.2% of pop)

    1986 Rice: 33,330 total graded
    PSA 8.5: 521 (1.5% of pop)
    PSA 9: 1,083
    PSA 10: 62

    Pop Higher: 1,145 (3.4% of pop)

    Based on the numbers, the Jerry Rice PSA 8.5 is a tougher high grade. If the percentages were closer, I'd go with the Payton but with only 4.9% of the 1986 Topps Jerry Rice PSA graded cards rated at 8.5 or better, that's my choice.

    Nice work. I am statistics kind of guy.

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  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @handyman said:
    Payton. Look how constant 1986 wax boxes are for sale. Not drying up in our lifetime I think.
    Payton

    Good luck! IMHO the 1986 Topps Football is the toughest in all of Football to get grades higher than PSA 8. And getting a pack fresh Rice to grade above a PSA 8 is even harder. Roughly 10 years ago I tried and tried and could not get a single one to grade higher than a PSA 8. I eventually gave up.

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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,117 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @olb31 said:

    @PatriotTrading said:

    1976 Payton: 12,943 total graded
    PSA 8 Payton: 2,996 (23% of pop)
    PSA 8.5: 148
    PSA 9: 726
    PSA 10: 54

    Pop Higher: 928 (7.2% of pop)

    1986 Rice: 33,330 total graded
    PSA 8.5: 521 (1.5% of pop)
    PSA 9: 1,083
    PSA 10: 62

    Pop Higher: 1,145 (3.4% of pop)

    Based on the numbers, the Jerry Rice PSA 8.5 is a tougher high grade. If the percentages were closer, I'd go with the Payton but with only 4.9% of the 1986 Topps Jerry Rice PSA graded cards rated at 8.5 or better, that's my choice.

    Nice work. I am statistics kind of guy.

    I agree with this.

    Even though Walter is my GOAT running back, I would rather have the Rice.

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  • BBBrkrrBBBrkrr Posts: 896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @UFFDAH said:

    That's one of the coolest racks I've ever seen. Very nice.

  • olb31olb31 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BBBrkrr said:

    @UFFDAH said:

    That's one of the coolest racks I've ever seen. Very nice.

    Coolest, but not the biggest. LOL!!

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  • olb31olb31 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Cakes said:

    @handyman said:
    Payton. Look how constant 1986 wax boxes are for sale. Not drying up in our lifetime I think.
    Payton

    Good luck! IMHO the 1986 Topps Football is the toughest in all of Football to get grades higher than PSA 8. And getting a pack fresh Rice to grade above a PSA 8 is even harder. Roughly 10 years ago I tried and tried and could not get a single one to grade higher than a PSA 8. I eventually gave up.

    I flipped a Bruce smith psa 8 to sgc 9. I didn't see anything wrong with it. Centering perfect, corners looked great. Personally not sure why its not a 10 unless it just can't be.

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  • @Cakes said:

    @handyman said:
    Payton. Look how constant 1986 wax boxes are for sale. Not drying up in our lifetime I think.
    Payton

    Good luck! IMHO the 1986 Topps Football is the toughest in all of Football to get grades higher than PSA 8. And getting a pack fresh Rice to grade above a PSA 8 is even harder. Roughly 10 years ago I tried and tried and could not get a single one to grade higher than a PSA 8. I eventually gave up.

    I just went through 5000 pack fresh 1986 Topps football cards. They are difficult, aside from the basic things to look for like centering, corners and edges, the cardboard quality and print defects abound. Snow and ink smudges are a problem.

  • @olb31 said:

    @Cakes said:

    @handyman said:
    Payton. Look how constant 1986 wax boxes are for sale. Not drying up in our lifetime I think.
    Payton

    Good luck! IMHO the 1986 Topps Football is the toughest in all of Football to get grades higher than PSA 8. And getting a pack fresh Rice to grade above a PSA 8 is even harder. Roughly 10 years ago I tried and tried and could not get a single one to grade higher than a PSA 8. I eventually gave up.

    I flipped a Bruce smith psa 8 to sgc 9. I didn't see anything wrong with it. Centering perfect, corners looked great. Personally not sure why its not a 10 unless it just can't be.

    Probably a print smudge of some type. Sometimes I think they hit the cards with cardboard fibers on the back that stand out too much.

  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PatriotTrading said:

    @Cakes said:

    @handyman said:
    Payton. Look how constant 1986 wax boxes are for sale. Not drying up in our lifetime I think.
    Payton

    Good luck! IMHO the 1986 Topps Football is the toughest in all of Football to get grades higher than PSA 8. And getting a pack fresh Rice to grade above a PSA 8 is even harder. Roughly 10 years ago I tried and tried and could not get a single one to grade higher than a PSA 8. I eventually gave up.

    I just went through 5000 pack fresh 1986 Topps football cards. They are difficult, aside from the basic things to look for like centering, corners and edges, the cardboard quality and print defects abound. Snow and ink smudges are a problem.

    Patriot, how many Rice's did you hit out of 5,000? If you decide to get them graded please keep me posted on your grading results.

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  • lusterloverlusterlover Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2024 6:45AM

    @Chicago1976 said:

    @UFFDAH said:

    Good Lord, the centering on that Payton looks really good. Must be tempting to open...lol

    Centering doesn't seem to count for much anymore. Still scratching my head on this freshly graded one.

  • olb31olb31 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The PSA 6 payton looks like a 9 or 10.

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  • BBBrkrrBBBrkrr Posts: 896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @olb31 said:
    The PSA 6 payton looks like a 9 or 10.

    Yeah. That is ridiculous. Unless that thing has Rick Leach on the back that should be a 9/10. No question.

  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @olb31 said:
    The PSA 6 payton looks like a 9 or 10.

    At least an 8! I am so glad I haven't subbed in years, that would have killed me!

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  • CWCW Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2024 12:36PM

    (I realize one reason for not both would be finances, and that's understandable. You could always buy one now, though, save up over the course of a year, and then buy the other one, just sayin')

  • estangestang Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭

    From an investment perspective, there would seem to be more upside with Rice at 8.5...

    Enjoy your collection!
    Erik
  • RonSportscardsRonSportscards Posts: 737 ✭✭✭✭

    @lusterlover said:

    @Chicago1976 said:

    @UFFDAH said:

    Good Lord, the centering on that Payton looks really good. Must be tempting to open...lol

    Centering doesn't seem to count for much anymore. Still scratching my head on this freshly graded one.

    Centering is done by AI and it's a calculable, so that's not the reason.
    Gotta be something else.
    On the front, the are some fisheyes, corner touch, and edge chipping(?), so not a 10.
    The color registration is off with the green and yellow on the 'Walter Payton'.
    (I got dinged on some "perfect" cards I subbed, and I can only think that was the reason)

    On the back, is the back corner showing separation?

    6 seems pretty harsh. At least a 7 or 8 seems more in line, unless there's a surface issue not apparent.

  • miwlvrnmiwlvrn Posts: 4,213 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That Payton probably would have been an 8 (PD) with the unfortunate registration issue (yellow/green), but as NQ, that means the 8Q card becomes a 6 NQ (Q's are -2 according to registry scoring). The corner on the back is presumably the reason that it would have been an 8Q as opposed to a 9Q. Maybe it ended up a 6 instead of a 6.5 because the only half-grade that is allowed to have a qualifier is 1.5, and the grading deducted/corrected to NQ after assigning it an 8Q rather than a 9Q not because 8Q more accurately represented it than an 8.5Q, but because 8.5Q is not a thing that exists? All that said, I think it means that I could see the card getting a 0.5 bump if reviewed?

  • yoda100yoda100 Posts: 35 ✭✭✭

    I have both. Being a Bears fan, I'd say go with Payton knowing that you will eventually get Rice. I've always liked the 49ers too going all the way back to John Brodie and Gene Washington. Here are mine.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,117 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I looked at a couple of higher graded Payton's on eBay, they had the same color "separation" on his name.

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  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 26, 2024 8:50AM

    After seeing that Rice 8 does anyone actually own a PSA 9 or 10 Rice rookie? I would guess the PSA 10 is actually a unicorn and not one member on this forum actually owns one.

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