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we recently pulled this 1939 nickel from a roll and we aren't sure what this is at the top of monticello. will attach photos of both the front and back but what i'm referring to is there on the back at the top of the building. is it some form of die deterioration, deterioration doubling or a damaged die of some kind? we didn't think it appeared to be any kind of post mint damage but really aren't sure what it is. we have been reading/studying various errors and are still fairly new to the study of coins, and struggling to find another example like this. please help us understand what this is. thanks in advance.

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  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not sure, maybe PMD or just circulation damage.

    That is part of the problem trying to find varieties or error on heavily circulated coins.

  • lermishlermish Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coin_hobbyist said:
    we didn't think it appeared to be any kind of post mint damage but really aren't sure what it is.

    It is. More studying is needed.

  • coin_hobbyistcoin_hobbyist Posts: 45
    edited January 16, 2024 3:45AM

    it almost looks like a split die example we just found but still researching both on here and other places... we are trying to learn. and jayPem we haven't even discussed about the "value" because we don't know what it is... and aren't interested in assumptional critical bs that offers nothing truly relevant to the question posted. anyone in the coin world is going to wonder if a unique coin they find could be valuable. you sound a bit jealous or some other negative issue. maybe a troll? we had a specific question about a coin that is nowhere on here and nowhere we've looked and you said your self you don't have a clue... we asked in a respectful way too... if you find anything useful to share you're welcome to contribute. is it a bit exciting? to find something that looks a bit different? sure. could it be worth something? if it is that'd be cool too? before you offer up your coaching of etiquette you might want to make sure you aren't sucking all the oxygen out of the room with your negative assumptions.

  • @lermish ... does post mint damage cause extra metal on top of the surface?

  • please explain in detail to the young grasshoppers how you came to that diagnosis

  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 2,949 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coin_hobbyist said:
    please explain in detail to the young grasshoppers how you came to that diagnosis

  • RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 503 ✭✭✭✭

    Here we go again

  • this is an example of split die ... so until you find me an example of post mint damage that looks more like the rounded part of our jefferson nickel than this split die example, your memes are powerless homie... were quickly realizing we should create a new account and just act like we know what were talking about so we can fit in a little better lol

  • coin_hobbyistcoin_hobbyist Posts: 45
    edited January 15, 2024 8:23PM

    give us information or facts. detailed diagnosis. a beginner can even see how thats what really matters. not degrading, assuming, not really looking or even caring because its not yours nonsense

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 3,973 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ..a troll sucking all the oxygen out of the room..

    Absolutely.

  • the thing is... we mean well and don't mean any harm. and aren't the selfish types of people. sure the post is about our coin but its something that anyone that sees the discussion could learn from if they have the right mindset.,, literally what were being instructed to do on the forum lol.. but the very ones aren't doing it. the two coins we have posted about are some of the very few things we even have to offer up to the discussion board as a contribtution ... we don't really have the answers for other people yet... and acting like you know without any real information, and just wanting us and our stupid newb posts to go away, acting like you know were just selfish and stupid without actually getting to know us makes you seem a lot less experienced and knowledgeable than you act. maybe just prove your expertise with detailed information that actually answers a posted question and offers enlightenment and education to the other participants. to be confirmed or disputed by others. it doesn't have to be our way either - detailed diagnosis or whatever. we respect any range of contributions, some may be more simple or various levels of expertise. we will respect each person. but we will command that same respect, or the scum of the internet will smell our weakness and try to suck the life out. #dontbethatperson

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2024 11:32PM

    @coin_hobbyist said:
    does post mint damage cause extra metal on top of the surface?

    Yes post mint damage will push metal.
    Raised metal above the surface of the coin is often times a sign of PMD, but not always a die crack will be raised.
    A cut from a knife can look like a die crack after many years of circulation and wear.

  • @Manifest_Destiny .... i thought you were actually saying that :D ... didnt see the text above what you were referring to... this is hilarious :D:D:D i apologize ... also thank you rockin

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2024 9:03PM

    On a mint state coin with good photos the forum can usually give a very good explanation of what happened.

    On a worn heavily circulated coin or coin with bad photos it's all just a guess, but it is an educated guess not just pulling random answers out of the air. We see quite a bit of posts from people just starting out that don't understand the minting process.

    I understand you would like a detailed account of what happened with your coin so that you can learn from it, but sometimes the best we can do is just say it's PMD because we weren't there when the damage took place to tell you exactly how it happened. You have to learn to trust that when we say it's PMD it is and we are not trying to be mean or belittle you. ;)

  • coin_hobbyistcoin_hobbyist Posts: 45
    edited January 15, 2024 9:13PM

    trust me bro doesn't cut it lol show an example. most none of us were there when any of these coins were minted ;)

  • also ,, just made this for ya... in case you get froggy whereabouts 3 days from now
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/386645596039

  • i "fricken" love this song

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There are some of the very best coin experts in the nation here on this forum but that won't help you if you refuse to listen or just want to be confrontational with the answers you receive. ;)

    It's all up to you, good luck. ;)

  • numismatics is a big word. im not sure im saying it right. ----> numigimmie gimmie gimmie split die jefferson of 1939 ...

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coin_hobbyist said:
    numismatics is a big word.

    Well then let me dumb it down for you a bit..... Coins

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coin_hobbyist said:
    were quickly realizing we should create a new account and just act like we know what were talking about so we can fit in a little better lol

    It wouldn't help because you can't act like you know what you are talking about. ;)

  • rockin ... i just found the numismatics on this rare coin. its called the "whopper" error ... they put these in burger king kids meals with a burger easter egg on the building. look more closely its actually in pretty good condition. the burgers are normally barely still there. this one you can still see the details in the lettuce cheese patty and buns. its a part of the secret menu. normal everyday numismaticians who aren't in the know will not understand. please stand down.

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coin_hobbyist said:
    trust me bro doesn't cut it lol show an example. most none of us were there when any of these coins were minted ;)

    I just flew in and my arms feel like jello, if this example might help. Might...!

  • all jokes aside that is a pretty good example emerald and i can see how that is a possibility fr. thank you

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $5 would be cheap entertainment to start your ebay account off with a negative feedback. :D:D:D>:)

  • yes. yes it would.

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Would you like to press your luck? >:)

  • the listing is accurate though. and i will cite/submit the screenshot of your comment in the evidence if it gets to that point lol I have a feeling we won't have to go there considering a bidding war is likely to ensue. the likes of which no normal civilian could afford.

  • sure lol ebay isn't dumb

  • coin_hobbyistcoin_hobbyist Posts: 45
    edited January 15, 2024 10:56PM

    ;)

  • on the real though i just helped you out.. could have waited til after lol

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Scooby Doo and you too are invited, P.S. Save the ozone at the Bone zone.

    Catering furnished by the Iron Owl.

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2024 11:02PM

    A screen shot from here would not prove who you are dealing with on ebay.
    My user name on ebay isn't ifthevamzarockin.
    Plus I may have just given another member here the idea and they might do it so it wouldn't even be me.
    You must not understand how ebay works, the buyer is always right. ;)
    I have over 20 years on ebay and know exactly how their system works and how to work the system.
    If you would really like to start your account off with a negative feedback I'm sure I can help you. ;)

  • okay bro chill lol

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wise move. ;)

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭✭✭

    E..................................? G wizz Scarlet.
    Relax... we have customers.
    Meanwhile back at the ranch.................

  • don't ask how my hand got like this. just know you should also respect me too lol

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,200 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coin_hobbyist said:
    @lermish ... does post mint damage cause extra metal on top of the surface?

    It can. Any damage that causes metal to move will result in "extra metal" on top of the surface. Imagine a plow creating a furrow in the soil. It will result in "extra dirt" on top of the ground on both sides of the furrow.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,200 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 16, 2024 1:00AM

    @coin_hobbyist said:
    trust me bro doesn't cut it lol show an example. most none of us were there when any of these coins were minted ;)

    You don't have to be if you understand the minting process. Some things are possible. Some are impossible.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,200 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coin_hobbyist said:
    also ,, just made this for ya... in case you get froggy whereabouts 3 days from now
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/386645596039

    You just paid money to list a coin that likely will not sell out of spite. You don't have to engage with people who you find disagreeable.

    Your coin cannot possibly be a split die. A split die is cracked in half and leaves a raised line across the entire coin like the dime you showed. It can't crack in a small curve.

    You can get a small raised line from a die gouge. However, as several people noted, you can also get a small raised line from a post Mint scratch on the coin itself.

    It is rather hard to be sure without better photos.

    It is possible to be sure that your stay here will be short and unhappy if you continue to be combative. You are neither creating nor giving respect.

  • jedmjedm Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If I want nickels like that I buy them from the bank for 5 cents, not from eBay for $5.

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