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1975D/1961 Cooper Penny

Ok Guys I need you to bear with me on this one. We all know it’s unlikely that a coin with two date can be a mint error and we have looked at this coin before but it’s not just the dates that are doubled.
Keep an open mind and take a peek at this penny one more time for me and give me your feedback

It’s not just the dates. Look how there seems to be the exact same distance between the dates and his shirt. And if you rotate the coin to where the 1961 is in the right position there is a lighter distortion at the top of the coin where Lincoln’s head would be

The dates, the shirt and the head all line up twice. All you have to do is rotate the coin. I just can’t see how someone could have duplicated Lincoln’s shirt right next to the 1961 that exactly.

That’s why I ask you. You guys are the “Pros” at this

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 13, 2024 4:02PM

    You were told in your previous thread about this coin, how it ended up like that. Please explain how it could have occurred at the Mint.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • epcepc Posts: 107 ✭✭✭
    edited January 13, 2024 7:54PM

    Please show a photo of the reverse.
    edited: Ah, now I see the reverse in the previous thread, linked in the next comment. Yes, it's odd to have such an effect on one side and not the other. And as in the previous thread, the effect of the supposed 1975-D strike on the 1961 obverse doesn't look realistic. As everyone else is saying, it's most likely a fake.

    Collector of Liberty Seated Half Dimes, including die pairs and die states

  • JBKJBK Posts: 14,539 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 13, 2024 4:02PM

    Been there already....

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1074676/copper-penny-with-two-dates#latest

    It's not a matter of "keeping an open mind", it's a matter of understanding the minting process.

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Homey don't play like dat! 😎

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  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 725 ✭✭✭✭

    It doesn’t really matter how that cent was produced, the only thing that matters is that it
    could not have happened when the coin was struck which eliminates that it is an error.

  • VetterVetter Posts: 774 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Since you don’t want to accept the views from the knowledgeable people on this forum from the two threads you posted. I suggest you spend the money and send it in to our host. Maybe you will believe them when it comes back in a body bag and you are out $50 or so.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,338 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It might have been made by a cooper

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,338 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Of course the second image is correct. But WHY ISN'T THERE A SECOND ROTATED IMAGE ON THE REVERSE?

    The only way that can happen at the Mint is for a 1961 coin to get mixed with the planchets. But then the 1975 overstrike should have done 2 things that ARE NOT PRESENT ON YOUR COIN:

    1. Flattening and near obliteration of the 1961 coin elements.
    2. A second, rotated image of the 1975 reverse.

    It is really you who needs to keep an open mind. You've decided it must be an error and no matter how many people explain that it can't be, and WHY it can't be, you cling to that belief.

  • silviosisilviosi Posts: 444 ✭✭✭
    edited January 13, 2024 4:54PM

    With almost 2 years apart, same coin.

    You has one of the most low level try to countrafeit coins.

    If you look at the history of strikings you can see this PMD. 1961 date is Phill strike on bronze and 1975D is Denver strike on Brass Gilden. In any case this could be happened.

    Just understand you has an Magician coin or the low level try for an counterfeit. I go more with Magician coin as per your photos.

    Hope you understand and accept the reality. If not seng to our host (PCGS)

    NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT.FIRST THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL.THEN, THEY WILL BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE. MARK TWAIN

  • RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 518 ✭✭✭✭

    But you don't listen to the "PROS"

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I said it before and I will say it again. Fake error ;)

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    I said it before and I will say it again. Fake error ;)

    Photoshop ?
    What are the indicators ? On the other hand, nevermind that question.
    The reverse is missing which could tell the tail.
    Huh ?

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @emeraldATV Sorry, I don't speak word salad and Google translate didn't help either.

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have an app for that.
    Pop up books won't work, I tried.
    Picture it might help ? Wait...an oldy but a goody.

  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,390 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 13, 2024 9:04PM

    @emeraldATV said:

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    I said it before and I will say it again. Fake error ;)

    Photoshop ?
    What are the indicators ? On the other hand, nevermind that question.
    The reverse is missing which could tell the tail.

    Who said anything about Photoshop? I don't doubt it's a real picture of a fake error.

    This has every appearance of a coin struck with false dies. Even if that isn't exactly what happened, there's no chance it's a real error. A picture of the reverse will not change that answer.

    A similar example

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe it was meant to be post dated ?
    Just checking.
    Whooh !
    Tough crowd.

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @emeraldATV If you were even half as funny as you think you are you might be slightly entertaining. :D

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Answerd

  • Ok I get it. Officially tossing this thing in the trash..

  • I owe each of you an apology. You had already checked this coin so I shouldn’t have wasted your time by submitting it twice. It won’t happen again-

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BETHEAC08 said:
    I owe each of you an apology. You had already checked this coin so I shouldn’t have wasted your time by submitting it twice. It won’t happen again-

    Yeah, just don't post it a third time. :D

    No need to throw it in the trash, you may be able to learn from it the more you develop an eye for coins. ;)
    And don't keep hoping it's something it's not.

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There are collectors for counterfeit coins, someone would be happy to give you a couple of bucks for it. ;)

  • silviosisilviosi Posts: 444 ✭✭✭

    ifthevamzarockin Post: January 14, 2024 9:37PM
    There are collectors for counterfeit coins, someone would be happy to give you a couple of bucks for it. ;)

    50 Magician coins for 10$. what collector will be so ignorant to pay a few bucks???

    NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT.FIRST THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL.THEN, THEY WILL BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE. MARK TWAIN

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @silviosi said:
    50 Magician coins for 10$. what collector will be so ignorant to pay a few bucks???

    Most magicians coins are hollowed out or dual denomination like penny on one side and dime on the other. ;)
    I would love to hear how this is a magicians coin and how the trick works. ;)
    I fear I will not understand your explanation and I don't think Google translate will help either. :D

  • silviosisilviosi Posts: 444 ✭✭✭

    Look at the side of the coin

    NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT.FIRST THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL.THEN, THEY WILL BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE. MARK TWAIN

  • It’s a cool coin, even if it’s not a ‘mint error’ doesn’t mean it isn’t a cool coin :) if you would like to know absolutely, then definitely send it in to PCGS,

    or you could just put it in some kind of holder and make a necklace out of it —

    Maybe it’s your lucky coin ❤️

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