You literally have provided nothing of substance to suggest that Michigan State was not a National Championship contender fairly consistently from 1949 through 1966. And the right to claim a National Championship in College Football extends to programs that have rightfully earned it. Ole Miss claimed three National Championships- 1959, 1960 and 1962. And I believe the last Boand Trophy was awarded in 1962 and it is in Oxford, not Los Angeles.
It is well settled that different entities awarded National Championship- some of those entities were previously mentioned. Just because the NCAA seems to recognize the AP Poll which dates back to 1936 and the Coaches Poll published by UPI which dates back to 1950, does not definitively dismiss the right of other well respected entities to name a National Champion. And to be blunt, it seems reasonable to have a National Championship split if it is deserved. And it seems there have been multiple years- including 1951 and 1966- whereby the better and more objective review would recognize that.
Seems Bullsitter is reminding us that Alabama was robbed of a National Title in 1966. And an argument can be made that they should at least share the title- they finished the season unbeaten and were defending Champs. They had a tougher games earlier in the season against Clemson and escaped an upset at Knoxville which in the mind of the pollsters bumped them in favor of Michigan State and Notre Dame. To further complicate matters, the Michigan State- Notre Dame game was hyped as the game of the Century and ended in a 10-10 tie. Notre Dame went on to CRUSH Rose Bowl bound USC 51-0. I believe that was the worst loss John McKay had at USC. Alabama apparently does not claim 1966 as a National Championship- but off hand, I don't know if any other entity named them as National Champs. I haven't researched the question, but it would not be surprising if that happened. I would have no problem with Alabama claiming 1966 as National Title under the circumstances.
I just think we have a different outlook as to the progression and history of the game and how it should be recorded.
Seems best to just agree to disagree in connection with NCAA Football History.
However, I think we can agree that Nick Saban is among the greatest coaches.
Michigan State is not a national championship caliber program which they arent unless we go back decades. Yale and Princeton arent either but if we go back over 100 years they were. Michigan State simply does not recruit to the level needed to be a national championship caliber program and has not done so for decades. They arent doing it with the transfer portal either.
Theres realistically about 15 programs you can win a title at maybe 20, but its around 6-8 on any given year. The new format this coming year has especially eliminated Michigan State from title contention. The two top B!G school will be in their title game. Winning it all will require 4 playoff wins if you dont get the bye and 3 if you do. Theres a reason you see the same programs over and over the last 40 years. Its a combination of recruiting, facilities, booster interest aka money, and how good teams are at putting guys into the pros. Certain schools have an edge at certain positions because of their success developing them.
For sure multiple teams have false titles that they claim, which is the a major reason why titles before the 1970s need to be taken with a grain of salt. When you have years like 1970 with Nebraska, Texas, and Oklahoma all having a recognized title something is wrong with the system. There should never be more than two and with the playoffs thankfully we wont have more than one anymore. I do appreciate the history of things, but it is history and things do change.
Speaking of Bama though theyve had some major losses to the transfer portal once Saban retired who decided not to transfer until Saban retired. The portal had closed and when it reopened with his departure they entered.
While you are entitled to your opinions, you are not entitled to your own facts.
Oklahoma was not in the National Championship discussion in 1970. Of course, 1971 was different with the Classic Nebraska-Oklahoma game in which Nebraska won 35-31.
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While you are entitled to your opinions, you are not entitled to your own facts.
Oklahoma was not in the National Championship discussion in 1970. Of course, 1971 was different with the Classic Nebraska-Oklahoma game in which Nebraska won 35-31.
Its not my own facts. Yes 1970 should had said Ohio State over Oklahoma not sure what happened there with some auto correct. But there are still 3 recognized champions for that year. Aside from the wrong school for the third well everything else still stands
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Michigan State is not a national championship caliber program which they arent unless we go back decades. Yale and Princeton arent either but if we go back over 100 years they were. Michigan State simply does not recruit to the level needed to be a national championship caliber program and has not done so for decades. They arent doing it with the transfer portal either.
Theres realistically about 15 programs you can win a title at maybe 20, but its around 6-8 on any given year. The new format this coming year has especially eliminated Michigan State from title contention. The two top B!G school will be in their title game. Winning it all will require 4 playoff wins if you dont get the bye and 3 if you do. Theres a reason you see the same programs over and over the last 40 years. Its a combination of recruiting, facilities, booster interest aka money, and how good teams are at putting guys into the pros. Certain schools have an edge at certain positions because of their success developing them.
For sure multiple teams have false titles that they claim, which is the a major reason why titles before the 1970s need to be taken with a grain of salt. When you have years like 1970 with Nebraska, Texas, and Oklahoma all having a recognized title something is wrong with the system. There should never be more than two and with the playoffs thankfully we wont have more than one anymore. I do appreciate the history of things, but it is history and things do change.
Speaking of Bama though theyve had some major losses to the transfer portal once Saban retired who decided not to transfer until Saban retired. The portal had closed and when it reopened with his departure they entered.
Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007
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While you are entitled to your opinions, you are not entitled to your own facts.
Oklahoma was not in the National Championship discussion in 1970. Of course, 1971 was different with the Classic Nebraska-Oklahoma game in which Nebraska won 35-31.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Its not my own facts. Yes 1970 should had said Ohio State over Oklahoma not sure what happened there with some auto correct. But there are still 3 recognized champions for that year. Aside from the wrong school for the third well everything else still stands
Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007