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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-alabama-coach-nick-saban-retires-after-17-seasons-with-crimson-tide-221300348.html
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Holy sh.., I didn't see this one coming. I'm going to miss him, the GOAT college coach.
what are the tide going to do for a coach?
Bama will have no shortage of options and a big program is very likely about to lose their head coach. Dabo, Kiffin, the Texas coach, Dan Lanning at Oregon are all names that have been connected to the job in the past. Clemson even has a clause in Dabos contract if he leaves for Bama his buyout increases
The biggest thing now is that Bama players have 30 days where they can freely enter the transfer portal. With 18 5 stars and 54 4 stars its going to be a feeding frenzy and Bama will need to move rather quickly and get a big name
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Love him or hate him he was a legendary coach
Just how good of a college coach Nick Saban was won't really be understood until the next HC has one of his own recruited classes playing. Alabama should be pretty good next season and the new coach will get credit that should really belong to Saban in part, he was a great recruiter.
The new Alabama coach will deserve the credit if they are in the playoffs next year. Saban is the goat for sure, but every single major program right now is trying to poach players and recruits from Bama. It wont be an easy task for the new coach to keep all the stars and they should be bringing some guys with them.
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Saban was a great coach for sure. interesting that both he and BB are done within about 12 hours of each other.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Not a big Saban fan, but he knew his "sweet spot", and chose to leave on a very high note.
He doesn't need the pressure, with $70M net worth, has enough to live very comfortably for the rest of his life. His college football record will be hard to top, 9 SEC titles, 6 National Championships, he's a walking legend.
College sports has changed the last few years with the NIL and transfer portals. Some coaches have embraced it and others are/have gotten left behind. The transfer portal means you have to keep recruiting your own players as well as high school and other teams transfers hitting the portal.
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Dabo is the one that really got left behind so far. The work load for a college coach now is the most in any sport. They have to not only recruit HS guys, but transfer guys, and keep their own guys every year. A lot of the older coaches will likely be retiring in the near future as its just to much work
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they both look so happy and at peace in this photo. you would have thought they were losing the game.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
@doubledragon said: Not even the greatest two coaches ever could save the Cleveland Browns.
It's worth mentioning that at the the time of that picture neither of those men had done a single solitary thing yet. Belichick had a 36–44 record at Cleveland and Saban was sort of an abject failure in the NFL and returned to the NCAA where he enjoyed success.
While both men were outstanding Head Coaches for their respective teams I wonder if either man was much of an innovator. Aside from compiling stellar won/lost records and winning championships, did either HC change the game in any major way? To me, that constitutes at least a part of being the Greatest.
Washington head coach the new Bama coach. He has a lot of work to do to save their recruiting and transfers. The top Washinton DB as well as an elite Bama WR have entered the portal today
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Paterno is the GOAT. Saban still needed over 100 wins to catch him. Paterno also holds the record for most bowl wins and most bowl appearances. Paterno also had five undefeated seasons compared to only two for Saban.
Joe Paterno, 409 wins. ...
Bobby Bowden, 346 wins. ...
Bear Bryant, 323 wins. ...
Pop Warner, 318 wins. ...
Amos Alonzo Stagg, 314 wins. ...
Nick Saban, 292 wins. ...
Mack Brown*, 276 wins. ...
LaVell Edwards, 257 wins.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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Saban is the GOAT and there is no legitimate argument hes not. Most championships, highest winning percentage, titles with more than one team, didnt have a Sandusky
Someone needs to do some more research. Paterno coached for 46 years, Saban 28. Calling Paterno the GOAT is a wild move with everything that happened there.
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Saban top 5, but he doesn't touch Paterno's coaching record.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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You have it backwards. Paterno doesnt touch Sabans and Saban definitely wouldnt want to touch Paternos and Sandusky
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Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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Al Pacino plays Paterno in this film, does a great job too. The ending told the story.
Must see for any college football fan.
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Paul "Bear" Bryant's all-time record may have fallen to Joe Paterno, but JoePa never could beat the Alabama coaching great in head-to-head action. The first of Paterno's four losses to Bryant came on Dec. 31, 1975, when the Crimson Tide beat the Nittany Lions in the Sugar Bowl, 13-6.
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Saban is among the greatest... not the greatest. There is no greatest.
I would not want to compare him to Bernie Bierman or Bud Wilkinson mainly because establishing the baseline for such a comparison would be problematic at best. If I had to name 10 of the best of All-time NCAA football coaches, Saban would be included- as would Bierman and Wilkinson.
There is more to greatness than just winning. The real question is what did that coach do to forever change the game? What was the long term impact? Saban had the benefits from everything that happened before him- Zuppke and Rockne did more to shape the game than Saban. Having just written that, I don't envy the position that Saban has been in terms of the modernization and changes he had to deal with that to some degree was simply beyond his control.
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Pop Warner and Eddie Robinson could be in that conversation.
Eddie Robinson is in the conversation as is Pop Warner
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Woody Hayes
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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Sabans impact goes far beyond his 7 national titles at two different schools. You look around college football and a lot of the top coaches came from his coaching tree. Lanning, Pruitt, Kirby, Kiffin just to name a few. Kirby was in the NFL and came back to college with Saban stealing him away from the Dolphins. Alabama has the most players currently in the NFL as well,
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When you sucker-punch another teams player you shouldn't be considered.
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Was fired the next day.
A hard no to Woody Hayes- Doubtful that Zuppke gets in but he deserves it more than Hayes based on his contributions to the development of the game.
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Woody is no doubt one of the greatest - FIVE national championships, 13 conference titles, and four undefeated seasons.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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Zuppke had 4 National Championships 1914, 1919, 1923 and 1927 and 7 conference titles.
Zuppke basically invented the use of a huddle; invented the Flea Flicker; reintroduced the I formation among other innovations. Zuppke influenced and fundamentally changed the game. The biggest strike against Zuppke is his lackluster performance throughout the 1930s- Illinois football was largely irrelevant basically for the entire decade.
While Woody Hayes was great and very successful- as measured by Big Ten Titles- I just do not see his innovation in the same light as Zuppke. I will acknowledge that the whole three yards in a cloud of dust mentality won games as in lots of games- but his offense was one dimensional. And this became more apparent as time progressed. Hayes was simply out played by other good college coaches of the day including John McKay and even John Robinson. And McKay misses my top ten as does Howard Jones.
Knute Rockne and The Bear make my list of 10 so I am up to 7 with 3 more to add.
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Darrell Royal, Tom Osborne and Barry Switzer join Rockne, Warner and Wilkenson with 3 National Championships.
I was thinking about Osborne and Royal
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He also had 5 losing seasons compared to none for Saban.
Paterno had only one unbeaten season as a member of a conference.
Saban won at four different schools, including national titles at two.
I can't stand either guy but Joe isn't in the same galaxy as Tricky Nicky.
I thought more about the three suggested by Bullsitter- My initial reservation as to Osborne was he replaced Bob Devaney and I simply lost track of time with that transition. Devaney was a great coach- took on the role of AD and Osborne inherited one terrific program. Clearly tough shoes to fill and your boss was the former coach that made great things happen. Osborne can be added to the list of ten- so the list is at 8.
I think I have to pass on Darrell Royal- great coach and worthy of inclusion. But I started to think about Johnny Vaught and Robert Neyland. I am unable to include Royal over Vaught and Neyland. I also thought about Lynn "Pappy" Waldorf- He lead Oklahoma A&M (State), Kansas State, Northwestern and Cal to conference Championships- While at Northwestern and Cal, he never produced a National Championship. However, he did engineer some of the greatest wins in the history of theses schools- In 1936, Northwestern beat Minnesota- winning the Big 9 but Minnesota went on to be National Champs as Northwestern lost its last game of the season to Notre Dame.
I am inclined to consider Bill Snider in the top ten for doing more with less and turning a perennial doormat into a National power. Sure... he never won a national championship, but there are few coaches that can claim his success in turning a program around. And within the subject of turn arounds, seems what Hayden Fry did at Iowa was not short of amazing and the same can be said of Gary Patterson at TCU.
2 more slots are open unless we choose to expand the list.
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Totally disagree. Nick didnt win any Natty's until he got into the sec. How many titles did he win at Michigan state? He had some pretty mediocre teams going 6-5-1, and 6-6 during 1997 and 1998.
Going undefeated was just as tough as playing in a conference as Penn State always played against good competition. Winning at the same program for 40 years is more impressive than winning at multiple great programs. Urban Meyer also won natty's for different teams.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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Michigan State is not a national championship caliber program. The fact that he never had a losing season there is a significant accomplishment.
7 national championships at 2 different schools is far more impressive than anything Paterno did. Saban was the best recruiter of all time. Sabans winning percentage is significantly higher than Paternos as well and that doesnt even get to the off the field stuff. Tom Osbourne is the only coach with a higher winning percentage with over 200 wins and he had a losing record in bowl games.
Saban is the Goat for college, theres not an argument otherwise. It gets interesting talking about 2-5 with guys like Bowden, and Meyer. Carroll has a dynasty but wasnt in college nearly long enough.
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Basebal21 posted:
Michigan State is not a national championship caliber programs. The fact that he never had a losing season there is a significant accomplishment.
I think Biggie Munn and Duffy Daugherty would disagree with you. Michigan State claims 6 NCAA Football National Championships- 1951, 1952, 1955, 1957, 1965 and 1966.
It may not have happened in your lifetime... but it happened- two were before they joined the Big 9/10
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I'm aware of those but anything before Vietnam and really before the late 1970s teams just claimed stuff.
1951 was Tennessee, Michigan State isnt even recognized. 1955 was Oklahoma, Michigan State not recognized, 1957 was Ohio State and Auburn with Michigan State not recognized. The 1960s ones were split with another team. Michigan State claims several titles that only they recognize and they still havent won one in over 60 years and their last undisputed title was 1952.
Michigan State isnt a national championship caliber program in football. Every now and then theyre pretty good. The one year they got into the playoffs Alabama beat them 38-0. It could have been much worse and wasnt even remotely competitive and that was the best team they had in a while
They dont recruit at the level that is necessary. Their classes are pretty consistently in the 30s or higher
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Exactly. Once again the basebal guy just spewing nonsense. Michigan State is no doubt a National championship caliber program in both football and basketball.
Hall of famer Mark Dantanio had alot better record at Michigan State than Nick Saban. Besides his playoff appearance in 2015, his 2013 team that finished 13-1 might have been the best team in the country, but didnt get a chance to play against Florida state in the NCS because the computer chose a one loss Auburn team over Michigan state. Dantanio won three conference titles with Michigan State.
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Michigan State............
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Lets start with some fairly simple points that we can agree on-
Yes Alabama smoked Michigan State -
And Nick Saban is a great coach- he is in the list of ten in which we currently have 8.
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I'm aware of those but anything before Vietnam and really before the late 1970s teams just claimed stuff.
1951 was Tennessee, Michigan State isnt even recognized. 1955 was Oklahoma, Michigan State not recognized, 1957 was Ohio State and Auburn with Michigan State not recognized. The 1960s ones were split with another team. Michigan State claims several titles that only they recognize and they still havent won one in over 60 years and their last undisputed title was 1952.
That is simply not the entire story or a complete overview of how it was... There were recognized entities that were involved in the review of the NCAA football season as it unfolded and at the end of the season. And these entities ranked and named a National Champion. The AP Poll was final before the Bowl games. And in those days, there were very few and it helped to be in a conference. The following entities used formulas and named a National Champion:
-Billingsley
-Boand
-Dickinson
-Dunkel
-Litkenhous
And there were others. And what is interesting is that some of the models used in part paved the way for the BCS analysis of today. The Michigan State teams were recognized as National Champions in the years referenced by one or more of these entities. During the combined period Biggie Munn and Duffy Daugherty were head coach at MSU - roughly from 1947 through 1972- the Spartans were in the hunt for a National Championship more than any other Big Ten team with exception of Ohio State. Seems that your view of Michigan State football is one dimensional and basically overlooks their incredible success- especially from 1948 through 1966. And if you look at the record over this 18 year period, I suspect they are either in the top ten in all of College Football or damn close to it.
Teams can only claim what has been awarded to them. They just can't manufacture championships that are not well founded based on performance. In this instance, what was awarded to MSU was fair and reasonable. Not to take anything away from Neyland's 1951 Tennessee squad, but look at the strength of schedule and who lost in a bowl game and who was never invited. MSU has a right to claim a National championship for that year as does Illinois.
What remains disturbing about discussions surrounding GOATS is that the All-Time component never seems to enter the equation. There is a lost connection in terms of what people experienced verse what they were unable to witness. Stars seem to burn bright. And that unfortunately consumes too much of the entire story at the expense of others that are merely reduced to a footnote in history. We can and should do better as history is simply too important to be left to footnotes-including Sports History.
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The NCAA doesnt recognize most of the Michigan State titles that they claim
https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/college-football-national-championship-history
Even the stripped USC title is still on there but the majority of the Michigan State titles are not. 1952 and 1965 are the two that are recognized.
Teams can claim whatever they want and do claim whatever they want in college sports of the past, it doesnt mean its recognized though. The NCAA recognizes Tennessee and the 1951 Champs
The other thing too about the time frame if that WW2 had a drastic impact on the level of competition from the amount of people that were drafted that was felt for years. Than Korea happened, then Vietnam. The best teams werent getting put put out there.
History is certainly important and its important to make note of when teams claim things that arent recognized and they arent the only team to do it.
As far as the program today, it just doesnt recruit at the level it has to in order to be a national championship caliber program. Not team has won the title with less than 50 percent of the roster being 4 and 5 stars. Washington came the closest this year but Michigan controlled them in the final.
Michigan State gets some stars and sometimes they carry the team like in 2021 with Walker, but they havent even made a bowl game 3 of the last 4 years. Theyve had 8 double digit win seasons since 1965
They can jump in and out sometimes competing for a B!G title but they are not national title contenders. Their life is also getting harder for even a B!G championship now that divisions are gone and it will just be the two best records. Winning the B!G is the only way for an automatic bid and they arent a top 12 team otherwise. Really top 11 team since the highest ranked group of 5 gets an automatic bid as well.
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Saban putting a good move on the ball at Pebble, and the results followed
and lookie who was sitting next to him, paying him a compliment
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According to this site, Michigan State has won three National Championships. 52,65, and 66.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2023-01-09/college-football-teams-most-national-championships
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Leaving out 1952 changes nothing about the fact they claim multiple titles that arent recognized and its been almost 60 years since the last one which two of the tree were split titles
If you want to argue Yale is the best and Princeton is the third best program go for it
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Actually you brought up Yale and Princeton.
You literally have provided nothing of substance to suggest that Michigan State was not a National Championship contender fairly consistently from 1949 through 1966. And the right to claim a National Championship in College Football extends to programs that have rightfully earned it. Ole Miss claimed three National Championships- 1959, 1960 and 1962. And I believe the last Boand Trophy was awarded in 1962 and it is in Oxford, not Los Angeles.
It is well settled that different entities awarded National Championship- some of those entities were previously mentioned. Just because the NCAA seems to recognize the AP Poll which dates back to 1936 and the Coaches Poll published by UPI which dates back to 1950, does not definitively dismiss the right of other well respected entities to name a National Champion. And to be blunt, it seems reasonable to have a National Championship split if it is deserved. And it seems there have been multiple years- including 1951 and 1966- whereby the better and more objective review would recognize that.
Seems Bullsitter is reminding us that Alabama was robbed of a National Title in 1966. And an argument can be made that they should at least share the title- they finished the season unbeaten and were defending Champs. They had a tougher games earlier in the season against Clemson and escaped an upset at Knoxville which in the mind of the pollsters bumped them in favor of Michigan State and Notre Dame. To further complicate matters, the Michigan State- Notre Dame game was hyped as the game of the Century and ended in a 10-10 tie. Notre Dame went on to CRUSH Rose Bowl bound USC 51-0. I believe that was the worst loss John McKay had at USC. Alabama apparently does not claim 1966 as a National Championship- but off hand, I don't know if any other entity named them as National Champs. I haven't researched the question, but it would not be surprising if that happened. I would have no problem with Alabama claiming 1966 as National Title under the circumstances.
I just think we have a different outlook as to the progression and history of the game and how it should be recorded.
Seems best to just agree to disagree in connection with NCAA Football History.
However, I think we can agree that Nick Saban is among the greatest coaches.
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