Any YouTube videos (or you guys personally) of pulling vintage card out of 1991 Topps pack? (40th a)

Estil

Okay you guys remember how in 1991 Topps they did a big promo to celebrate their 40th anniversary by buying up one of every Topps baseball card ever made and randomly seeding them into packs? Plus they did exchange cards for 1952-56 (as those wouldn't fit), one of each Topps set, and the big grand prize, ALL of the Topps sets! Oh boy forget winning some silly lottery, THAT'S the kind of prize I'd love to win! Unlike today though, they didn't think to put a buyback stamp on them.

But in any event, did any of you guys ever pull one of these? And did anyone on YouTube find one of these while opening a 1991 Topps pack? The thing is though, why are so many of the pics in 1991 Topps so fuzzy and/or grainy? No wonder Baseball Card Magazine at the time had 1991 Topps on their C-C-Cold List saying the 40th anniversary celebration for The Real One is a real yawner

frankhardy

I have always wondered that. I'm sure people have pulled cards like a 1983 Topps Dan Iorg or something like that, but I have never heard of anything being pulled.

EchoCanyon

Here's an old thread -- almost 20 years old (geez, 2004 feels like yesterday)

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/273078/1991-topps-baseball-quot-vintage-card-inserts-quot

PatriotTrading

Pretty sure I pulled an 86 Topps and a 75 Topps common card.

Estil

I wonder what the redemption cards looked like? Any pics? Even if they are long ago expired they'd make neat collectibles in their own right...

junkwaxgems

@Estil said:
I wonder what the redemption cards looked like? Any pics? Even if they are long ago expired they'd make neat collectibles in their own right...

I know several longtime Topps master set collectors and none of them own any 1991 Topps redemption cards. Not for the vintage cards or for the winning sweepstakes inserts (those with "an X on front"). One person on a facebook group in 2020 showed the first X sweepstakes redemption card that I believe has ever been shown online and they were unwilling to part with it despite not being a 1991 Topps collector.

Any expired redemptions from 1991 Topps would likely be massively collectible as the product has turned into a hugely popular set over the last few years. Attaining anything near a master set is tougher than any year that Topps produced.

As for vintage buyback cards...personally, I would doubt that anyone collecting over the last 10-20 years has opened more of this product than I have (terrible brag) and I have only ever pulled one vintage card, a 1968 Topps Cardinal common. You can open entire sealed cases and likely won't pull one. If you are interested in more discussion about this set, there are several great conversations about on the PSA forums and Net54.

Estil

Well a "master set" should obviously be a realistic one. For example a Hertiage master set would be all the regular cards, SPs, and all the non-serial numbered inserts. Now for the 90s master sets obviously the 10K and 5K numbered insert sets "count" and would be needed to qualify.

RonSportscards

@Estil said:
Well a "master set" should obviously be a realistic one. For example a Hertiage master set would be all the regular cards, SPs, and all the non-serial numbered inserts. Now for the 90s master sets obviously the 10K and 5K numbered insert sets "count" and would be needed to qualify.

I think you're underestimating the varieties of the 91 "master" set.
I'm no expert on the set, but I think you would have to own at least 4 sets: plain backs, bold logo backs, glow backs, bold logo glow backs.

Not to mention all the errors and varieties; (I think) 4 versions of Oil Can Boyd exist.
And I don't even know all the different backs you can find with that variety.

Never pulled a vintage card from a pack, but I opened a cello box not long ago and pulled a pretty tough error, the Drabek white frame error, and I submitted it to PSA and got only the 2nd PSA10. In the same box, I also pulled the not-as-tough Hoiles white frame error, which also got a PSA10.

junkwaxgems

@RonSportscards said:

@Estil said:
Well a "master set" should obviously be a realistic one. For example a Hertiage master set would be all the regular cards, SPs, and all the non-serial numbered inserts. Now for the 90s master sets obviously the 10K and 5K numbered insert sets "count" and would be needed to qualify.

I think you're underestimating the varieties of the 91 "master" set.
I'm no expert on the set, but I think you would have to own at least 4 sets: plain backs, bold logo backs, glow backs, bold logo glow backs.

Not to mention all the errors and varieties; (I think) 4 versions of Oil Can Boyd exist.
And I don't even know all the different backs you can find with that variety.

Never pulled a vintage card from a pack, but I opened a cello box not long ago and pulled a pretty tough error, the Drabek white frame error, and I submitted it to PSA and got only the 2nd PSA10. In the same box, I also pulled the not-as-tough Hoiles white frame error, which also got a PSA10.

Great pulls! But neither Hoiles or Drabek is tougher than the other since they were produced in the same specific run and packaging type at the same time. You’re absolutely correct on the enormity of a master set.

@Estil said:
Well a "master set" should obviously be a realistic one. For example a Hertiage master set would be all the regular cards, SPs, and all the non-serial numbered inserts. Now for the 90s master sets obviously the 10K and 5K numbered insert sets "count" and would be needed to qualify.

There is no universally accepted definition of a true 1991 Master Set due to the complexities of what it would entail.

At minimum:

Base set (glow & non glow)
Bold 40th partial parallel set (260ish cards)
A * B * partial parallel set (130ish cards)
All variations (150ish addtl cards)
Sweepstakes set (264 seq code cards)
Box Bottoms (both versions)
Glossy All-Stars
Glossy Rookies

then you have the weird stuff…

Golden Spikes Fernandez
Babe Ruth set
National promos
Pre-production cards
Magazine offer cards
Partial Bold 40th cards

then the arguably not part of it stuff…

Tiffany
Desert shield
Micro
Topps Magazine cards
Traded (all 3 versions)
Traded Tiffany

RonSportscards

@junkwaxgems said:
Great pulls! But neither Hoiles or Drabek is tougher than the other since they were produced in the same specific run and packaging type at the same time. You’re absolutely correct on the enormity of a master set.

Thought I read somewhere that the Drabek was caught and corrected earlier than the Hoiles.
Something about the Whiten error first, then Drabek, then Hoiles.
And it seems in the real world the Drabek is tougher to find than the Hoiles.
In the box I ripped the Whiten error was already corrected. (Seller had 2 boxes and I only bought 1 and still kicking myself.)
Again, I'm no expert and didn't dig deep in the numbers.

junkwaxgems

@RonSportscards said:

@junkwaxgems said:
Great pulls! But neither Hoiles or Drabek is tougher than the other since they were produced in the same specific run and packaging type at the same time. You’re absolutely correct on the enormity of a master set.

Thought I read somewhere that the Drabek was caught and corrected earlier than the Hoiles.
Something about the Whiten error first, then Drabek, then Hoiles.
And it seems in the real world the Drabek is tougher to find than the Hoiles.
In the box I ripped the Whiten error was already corrected. (Seller had 2 boxes and I only bought 1 and still kicking myself.)
Again, I'm no expert and didn't dig deep in the numbers.

They aren’t in a linear order. Whiten error can only be found certain packaging type(s). Same for Drabek/Hoiles but in a totally different packaging type. And the Drabek/Hoiles cards were issued together and corrrected together. You will often pull them together but occasionally one or the other is missing, this is simply a collation issue with that packaging type.

Certain variations like mentioned above only appear in specific packaging types while others appear in several different types.

junkwaxgems

1991 Topps Master Set Checklist/Guide (recently updated)

https://junkwaxgems.wordpress.com/2011/06/26/1991-topps-baseball-errors-variations-ongoing-checklist/