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recolored Morgan

davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭✭✭

what and why? is this just what they now call artificial toning? I got this slab for melt and wonder if I can just dip off the crap.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,731 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m used to seeing “recolored” in reference to copper coins, but on a practical basis, I don’t think it really matters.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 22, 2023 9:02AM

    i dont want to know about it. ill go with the scrap barrel thing :)
    (maybe for an experiment thing, ok)

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,382 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The real technical term is "artificial toning." With 5,000 + posts, I'm sure that you have seen some of the high prices collectors pay for beautifully toned Morgan Dollars, even when they are common dates. That is the reasons why coin doctors create AT.

    In this case, it may have looked better at one time, but now it's ugly. The chemicals have eaten into the surface of the coin and turned it black. If you dip it, it will still look horrible. In short, this coin is a lost cause. It's a cull dollar that gets most of its value from its silver content.

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  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Since you bought for melt, dipping won't incur any financial loss no matter what happens. Probably polished/whizzed surfaces underneath. If you do dip, please repost results.

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen Well, it's definitely a coin that you can experiment on. Consider the aluminum foil, baking soda and boiling water process and/ or a dip in eZest. Good luck. Love to see the results. Peace Roy

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 22, 2023 10:28AM

    If you want to experiment with it, I've tried this process on AT Silver Eagles and it removes the color (but then shows the ugly surfaces underneath that people were trying to hide)

    Crumple up a piece of aluminum foil and place in a glass bowl, put the coin on top of the foil, place a TBSP of baking soda on the coin, then pour boiling water over it to cover. Color should disappear if artificial.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Namvet69 said:
    @davewesen Well, it's definitely a coin that you can experiment on. Consider the aluminum foil, baking soda and boiling water process and/ or a dip in eZest. Good luck. Love to see the results. Peace Roy

    Sorry Roy for parroting your post but it took me a long time to remember and type my post and didn't see yours untill too late. :)

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭✭✭

    it is free and I like the proof-like colors on the reverse fields, thinking about aluminum foil or if I can just 'dip' the obverse with a Q-tip.

  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dipping with a Q-tip is better if limited to a smaller area of coin or lighter tarnish/AT. Since the whole obverse is black but you want to preserve the reverse, I would get an eye dropper and drop a few drops on obverse on top of a flat glass or plate. Maybe run a Q tip quickly in some of the heavier areas. Have a glass of baking soda water ready to dip to stop the acid from etching coin further.

  • 2windy2fish2windy2fish Posts: 777 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Recolored is an interesting term, it implies that the coin was “Colored” once then recolored later, perhaps labeling the coin as just colored makes more sense?
    Btw, i kinda thought the holder may have had more value than the coin?

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,209 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 22, 2023 12:03PM

    @2windy2fish said:
    Recolored is an interesting term, it implies that the coin was “Colored” once then recolored later, perhaps labeling the coin as just colored makes more sense?
    Btw, i kinda thought the holder may have had more value than the coin?

    Dipped and retoned, since done so quickly very unstable. What Bill Jones said is what it looks like to me

    Mr_Spud

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @2windy2fish said:
    Recolored is an interesting term, it implies that the coin was “Colored” once then recolored later, perhaps labeling the coin as just colored makes more sense?
    Btw, i kinda thought the holder may have had more value than the coin?

    You are probably correct. ACG with CT address not very common, but the coin is so ugly it almost makes me vomit.

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 5,499 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s too late now that the slab is cracked, but the holder had some value. That is an older ACG slab and the first I’ve seen with the “recolored” designation (might have been the only one around). I would guess it would bring $75-$125 in the slab.

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you dip a qtip in eZest and gently roll it over the obv surface, that'll work. Or load a sterile gauze pad with eZest and gently press the obv side into the wet pad. Just rinse with distilled water, several times. Good luck.

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  • PizzamanPizzaman Posts: 212 ✭✭✭

    Dip it. Just make sure you do it right.

  • AtcarrollAtcarroll Posts: 329 ✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    it is free and I like the proof-like colors on the reverse fields, thinking about aluminum foil or if I can just 'dip' the obverse with a Q-tip.

    I would have said dip it now that it's out of the slab. The reality is that an AU 1881s is common and not highly valued by the market, and any premium would be due to the perceived rarity and desirableness of the slab. But, since you like the way the light shines off the colors on the reverse it's worth saving to you. That's how I like to collect, price is a factor but not the main one.

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