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How hard is it to get NGC & PCGS to get labels correct on Latin American varieties?

I will sending in a bunch of coins to be graded in 2024 and have never done so before but I can't imagine they know varieties like us collectors here or maybe I am wrong?

Collecting interests: Mexico & Peru early milled 1 reales + 1796-1891 US dimes

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  • PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does either of them take into consideration Brad Yonaka's books?

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  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 563 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What kind of varieties?

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No, they don’t take Yonaka’s book into account for minor varieties. For recognized over dates and some of the more major varieties (1761 cross between H&I, 1754-Mo same crowns, etc)

  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PillarDollarCollector said:
    Does either of them take into consideration Brad Yonaka's books?

    Moreover, they retroactively removed the variety on one of my coins listed in Yonaka.

  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 563 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have an overdate that Yonaka decided was not an overdate…so that variety doesn’t exist anymore😂 Mine was top pop.

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  • PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 21, 2023 10:54AM

    Thanks guys that clears this issue up!!!

    Collecting interests: Mexico & Peru early milled 1 reales + 1796-1891 US dimes

    Sports: NHL & NFL

    Thank you Lord for another beautiful day!!!

  • PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SimonW said:
    What kind of varieties?

    I meant just varieties in general if they added them to the label if asked to do so.

    Collecting interests: Mexico & Peru early milled 1 reales + 1796-1891 US dimes

    Sports: NHL & NFL

    Thank you Lord for another beautiful day!!!

  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 563 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PillarDollarCollector said:

    @SimonW said:
    What kind of varieties?

    I meant just varieties in general if they added them to the label if asked to do so.

    Some, mostly just major type changes, overdates or assayers.

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  • kruegerkrueger Posts: 792 ✭✭✭

    Join the club. Having very difficult time getting varieties on labels.

    Have to go regularly at shows to see the "expert" to get the proper vetting.
    Then have graders decision reversed. Usally without discussion.
    Frustrating, as it's just not me it's other fellow collectors too.
    Some varieties they vetted in past we objected to and when presented to them they acknowledge that it was wrong.
    Personally I think they need an overhaul of their variety vetting process.

  • PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SimonW said:

    @PillarDollarCollector said:

    @SimonW said:
    What kind of varieties?

    I meant just varieties in general if they added them to the label if asked to do so.

    Some, mostly just major type changes, overdates or assayers.

    It is to bad they don't put the catalogue number Brad Yonaka's book has for each coin you would think that would be easy enough.

    Collecting interests: Mexico & Peru early milled 1 reales + 1796-1891 US dimes

    Sports: NHL & NFL

    Thank you Lord for another beautiful day!!!

  • SimonWSimonW Posts: 563 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PillarDollarCollector said:

    @SimonW said:

    @PillarDollarCollector said:

    @SimonW said:
    What kind of varieties?

    I meant just varieties in general if they added them to the label if asked to do so.

    Some, mostly just major type changes, overdates or assayers.

    It is to bad they don't put the catalogue number Brad Yonaka's book has for each coin you would think that would be easy enough.

    I’m sure they want it to be the industry standard for quite a while before they do that. Like, fifty years😂

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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 13,818 ✭✭✭✭✭

    indicate which yonaka variety on their submission form

    Check their variety attribution box request and be willing to pay extra for that

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SimonW said:
    I have an overdate that Yonaka decided was not an overdate…so that variety doesn’t exist anymore😂 Mine was top pop.

    Which variety was this?

  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I haven't had any issues verifying major varieties (over-date, over-assayer) at PCGS. In fact a lot of these in the Mexico Portrait 8 Reales have been attributed before the Yonaka reference came out. Just make sure to pay for a variety attribution and state what variety you believe it to be. In a lot of cases when the markets are clear enough it does not require any additional supporting reference material.

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