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It's official. Harriet Tubman on a twenty ?

TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

No, but in 2024 She'll be struck in silver and gold. And clad

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,172 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, I agree. Well deserving, and the execution is ok but overall IMHO there is a lack of inspiration created by this. Do we really need all three denominations to have plain old busts/profiles, etc...?

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • PizzamanPizzaman Posts: 211 ✭✭✭

    She's looking good. Good choice for a commemorative, I can see me in for the silver.

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Once these coins are issued, the argument for her on the $20 may be weakened. I think that these coins are enough and the continuity of designs on our currency shouldn't be sacrificed.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 23, 2023 4:06PM

    Recognizability is the reason most often given for continuity, as this is especially important since half of our currency is circulated outside our country. That's why we have had dead presidents and others (Frankin and Hamilton were never Presidents) on our currency for 100 years now. At some point we may change again, but I don't think that a Harriet Tubman commemorative will prove to be sufficient reason the sacrifice continuity. It's part of the U.S. image-consistency and continuity.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think that there could be a good collector market for a limited edition Educational series or fancy numbers sold at a premium but the BEP hasn't gone down that road yet. They have marketed fancy serial numbers but the congressional approval that would be required for a design change might be much harder.

    Commemorative coin programs seem to be little problem getting through Congress which is what ultimately caused their demise in the 1950s. Our coins circulate little outside the U.S. but the currency does. And that's why Congress is much less likely to mess with currency than coin designs.

    It only does so to make currency more secure and add more anticounterfeiting devices in recent decades. But even those changes have improved the appearance of our currency and made it more interesting.

    How many anticounterfeiting devices can you find on a $100 note? More and more are added over the years and I doubt many could identify all of them.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,722 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sad that it seems they're relegating her to a commemorative coin program.

    A person with her impact on the nation deserves to be in the public eye. The $20 was the place to do it IMO. I hope they carry through with that.

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 5,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Andrew Jackson is among the top 5 worst US presidents ever. Having said that, I would still consider Tubman a poor choice to put on the $20.

    Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein

  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Harriet Tubman's underground railroad ---- The Tubway.

  • mrcommemmrcommem Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭✭

    @mr1931S said:
    Andrew Jackson is among the top 5 worst US presidents ever. Having said that, I would still consider Tubman a poor choice to put on the $20.

    I can think of one that was hated even more. Does Abraham Lincoln ring a bell. After all, he caused a revolution. I would prefer Theodore Roosevelt or James Polk on the $20 if we can't have Jackson.

  • Cranium_Basher73Cranium_Basher73 Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,292 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin but not interested in new commems from the mint

  • bronzematbronzemat Posts: 2,597 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Namvet69 said:
    Why can't there be an educational series of banknotes?

    Yes, so we can educate to the public that the earth is flat!

    Round...what silly nonsense. :#

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 5,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 26, 2023 10:40AM

    Davy Crockett is far more deserving to be on the $20 than the Native American-hating Jackson, the sorry excuse for a POTUS who is responsible for the Trail of Tears? Anyone know where I can buy some stickers of Crockett so that I can cover Jackson's portrait on my $20's before I spend them?

    Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein

  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 16,790 ✭✭✭✭✭







    Available from The U.S. Mint January 4, 2024


    2024 Harriet Tubman Commemorative Coins

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like these coins and think that they are a fitting and proper honor.

    Jackson was complicated-both good and bad. He proved that he could defend our struggling young country at New Orleans but stepped up the morally wrong policies of killing Natives and taking their land unfairly. Crockett was a good man who was the champion of the poor, common worker and farmer. Jackson smeared Crockett unfairly, politically. Crockett deserves more recognition than he received.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • mrcommemmrcommem Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @mrcommem said:

    @mr1931S said:
    Andrew Jackson is among the top 5 worst US presidents ever. Having said that, I would still consider Tubman a poor choice to put on the $20.

    I can think of one that was hated even more. Does Abraham Lincoln ring a bell. After all, he caused a revolution. I would prefer Theodore Roosevelt or James Polk on the $20 if we can't have Jackson.

    I think you mean a civil war rather than a revolution. It's interesting that 10 states which were controlled by the democrats kept Lincoln off their ballots during the 1860 presidential election. Sound familiar? These states later formed the CSA.

    That seems like pretty good case of hate. Kind of like some of the hate building to keep Trump off the ballot

  • mrcommemmrcommem Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭✭

    @mr1931S said:
    Davy Crockett is far more deserving to be on the $20 than the Native American-hating Jackson, the sorry excuse for a POTUS who is responsible for the Trail of Tears? Anyone know where I can buy some stickers of Crockett so that I can cover Jackson's portrait on my $20's before I spend them?

    I would like Davie Crockett as well, maybe Daniel Boone on the twenty. These frontiersmen don't get any recognition anymore. Do they still teach about Boone and Crockett in our public schools?

  • mrcommemmrcommem Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭✭

    @Rexford said:
    @mrcommem I’m glad you spelled out your moral compass for us: money is more important than the humane treatment of others. As long as there is profit, all is well. Your disapproval of Lincoln and Tubman correlates very well with that idea.

    Edit: I see that you’re into Confederate coinage and Stone Mountain commems. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.

    I also have Grant, McKinley, and Washington commems as well as all the 50 Classic Silver commemoratives

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,557 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does any major dealer have a complete set of these pre-sale in PCGS 70 available for purchase? I have never had good luck with getting 70 grades on commemorative half dollars.

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,557 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2024 9:32AM

    Did anyone order any of these this morning? Pre-orders available at lower price until Feb 5th with a February 12th estimated shipping date.
    But when you order the cart says this?!

  • @sellitstore said:
    I like these coins and think that they are a fitting and proper honor.

    Jackson was complicated-both good and bad. He proved that he could defend our struggling young country at New Orleans but stepped up the morally wrong policies of killing Natives and taking their land unfairly. Crockett was a good man who was the champion of the poor, common worker and farmer. Jackson smeared Crockett unfairly, politically. Crockett deserves more recognition than he received.

    I don’t know how anyone gets off applying modern morality to one’s acts which when committed were not considered generally immoral. Historical revisionism does none a service.

  • kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,568 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2024 8:52PM

    I will definitely be in for the half dollar for my registry set… The silver dollar for my Dansco album but I will probably leave the $5 alone.

    It does look like the mint finally got away from that horrible sandblasted effect on the devices. It made people look like a lizards.

    "I'll split the atom! I am the fifth dimension! I am the eighth wonder of the world!" -Gef the talking mongoose.
  • knovak1976knovak1976 Posts: 200 ✭✭✭
    edited January 5, 2024 5:45AM

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  • LazybonesLazybones Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The lack of imagination and detail in modern US Mint crap is totally uninspiring.

    USAF (Ret) 1974 - 1994 - The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. Remembering RickO, a brother in arms.

  • kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,568 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lazybones said:
    The lack of imagination and detail in modern US Mint crap is totally uninspiring.

    These coin. suffer from the same issue coins have since around 2010… It looks like they were all designed in a CAD program.

    "I'll split the atom! I am the fifth dimension! I am the eighth wonder of the world!" -Gef the talking mongoose.
  • knovak1976knovak1976 Posts: 200 ✭✭✭

    @Clackamas1 said:
    I don't like Jackson historically but how about Melania Trump if we have to go girl.

    Can we seriously keep these idiots names off the postings? I’d really love to come somewhere without seeing anything about them.

  • ColonelKlinckColonelKlinck Posts: 371 ✭✭✭

    @knovak1976 said:

    @Clackamas1 said:
    I don't like Jackson historically but how about Melania Trump if we have to go girl.

    Can we seriously keep these idiots names off the postings? I’d really love to come somewhere without seeing anything about them.

    Jackson or Trump?

  • erscoloerscolo Posts: 421 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have ordered the proof and uncirculated versions of the half-dollar and dollar. The gold is too rich for my blood. Twenty Dollar bills are also too rich for my blood, at least as evidenced by my wallet.

  • NeophyteNumismatistNeophyteNumismatist Posts: 847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I guess I like the $1 coin best, but i don't think I will be buying any modern coins. I still have a lot of classic material I am chasing, and I need to preserve the funds for that.

    I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.

  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @sellitstore said:
    I like these coins and think that they are a fitting and proper honor.

    Jackson was complicated-both good and bad. He proved that he could defend our struggling young country at New Orleans but stepped up the morally wrong policies of killing Natives and taking their land unfairly. Crockett was a good man who was the champion of the poor, common worker and farmer. Jackson smeared Crockett unfairly, politically. Crockett deserves more recognition than he received.

    Anyone that kilt him a bar when he was only 3 needs to be on a coin... B)


    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 5, 2024 2:59PM

    @knovak1976 said:

    @Clackamas1 said:
    I don't like Jackson historically but how about Melania Trump if we have to go girl.

    Can we seriously keep these idiots names off the postings? I’d really love to come somewhere without seeing anything about them.

    Can't we have attractive, at least iconic designs again? Why does it have to be a Person? Tubman did some cool things but there are far more consequential people in American history.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Are these modern design coins actually fabricated by a real person (an artist), like the Mints Chief Engraver?? All (many, not all) of these modern designs and Commemorative coins just look cartoonish to me and not very professional. They look like they were manufactured on a CAD, Computer Aided Designs.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,568 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can’t think of a better example of that CAD look than this coin.

    "I'll split the atom! I am the fifth dimension! I am the eighth wonder of the world!" -Gef the talking mongoose.
  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @kiyote said:
    I can’t think of a better example of that CAD look than this coin.

    So I'm not the only one?!?!

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 6, 2024 8:47PM

    I wouldn't mind if Harriet Tubman was on a currency note.

    I'm not a big fan of Hamilton and his personal issues, and his plans to put the United States in debt to a privately-owned bank.

    I'm also not a fan of what Jackson did in regards to Native Americans. But I do like that he killed the privately-owned Bank of the United states and how he put the country back on a sound fiscal position.

    So I would replace Hamilton ($10) with Tubman instead of replacing Jackson ($20) with her.

    I also think the BEP should perhaps issue large-size commemorative $25 United States Notes, and that could also be a place for Tubman.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,173 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's some trivia. Harriet Tubman was alive when Thomas Jefferson was alive. She was also alive when Ronald Regan was alive.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

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