The photos themself personally I can see what really format was took. For large corporations all use raw. The problem it is what soft use, how the light is apply, what lens use, distances from the object and etc. If I take a raw TV photo with axial light or three triangled and angled light, on (for example) Intele viwer, ON1, or Celular Molecular viwer, I will have different aspects.
So for me a corporation to keep secret the way how took the photos in order to be the most accurate with what you will see in the hand it is correct.
If I am wrong on this I please Phill to correct me.
I am glad for Ian to accuired Phill and improuve the presentations.
PS: As the latin expression: "De gustibus non est disputandum" we can not satisfy everyone.
NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT.FIRST THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL.THEN, THEY WILL BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE. MARK TWAIN
It's really great to be able to see Phil's work on the other side of the slab now
Phil and TrueView has been amazing for the hobby. The major grading firms and now GC are all following TrueView's lead with standard size photos. It's great to see this expand and move to additional companies.
@ldhair said:
How do you get GreatPhoto when you list items on Great Collections? Most listings just show 2 images but some have the third composite image.
Unfortunately, so far most of the items I see on GC do not have a Great Photo. Even many over $1K valued items dont' have them, yet much lower valued items have Great Photos.
I think this is not going to be a good look for GC unless they can be consistent - either all coins get Great Photos, or all coins over a certain value do, etc. The images prior to Great Photo are as bad as all other auction houses and provide little info for bidding. That likely holds back the bidding and maxing out final bids. So why is this being applied so inconsistently so far and is that going to change?
@ldhair said:
How do you get GreatPhoto when you list items on Great Collections? Most listings just show 2 images but some have the third composite image.
Unfortunately, so far most of the items I see on GC do not have a Great Photo. Even many over $1K valued items dont' have them, yet much lower valued items have Great Photos.
I think this is not going to be a good look for GC unless they can be consistent - either all coins get Great Photos, or all coins over a certain value do, etc. The images prior to Great Photo are as bad as all other auction houses and provide little info for bidding. That likely holds back the bidding and maxing out final bids. So why is this being applied so inconsistently so far and is that going to change?
Some less expensive coins do have them which is nice. These go for about $150 on the bay and it's great to have a GreatPhoto. I'm guessing this one got a GreatPhoto due to the toning.
‘’The images prior to Great Photo are as bad as all other auction houses and provide little info for bidding. That likely holds back the bidding and maxing out final bids. So why is this being applied so inconsistently so far and is that going to change?’’
Over the very short time period currently at issue (a few weeks) I have personally seen virtually no sales prices higher with Great Photo as compared to without Great Photo. Happy to provide Ian clear examples of this if he is interested (assuming he doesn’t already know this).
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@wondercoin said:
‘’The images prior to Great Photo are as bad as all other auction houses and provide little info for bidding. That likely holds back the bidding and maxing out final bids. So why is this being applied so inconsistently so far and is that going to change?’’
Over the very short time period currently at issue (a few weeks) I have personally seen virtually no sales prices higher with Great Photo as compared to without Great Photo. Happy to provide Ian clear examples of this if he is interested (assuming he doesn’t already know this).
Wondercoin
I think the key here is 'very short time period'. I see lot of potentially beautifully toned coins on GC right now with no Great Photo. Can't tell for sure how nice they are because of the old style poor quality photos. There is no question in my mind that if they had Great Photos collectively, and if they have Great toning and the Great Photos reveal that, the bids would likely be higher in the end.........
There have been several occasions where I was very interested in a coin, but hadn't gotten in touch with someone at GC in time to review a lot for me, and I passed because of a tiny bit of uncertainty due to the photos. I can almost positively state that Greatphoto will be the deciding factor that pushes me in the bidding direction on at least 1 coin in 2024, its a matter of time.
@ldhair said:
I just listed 37 toned coins. Most with really nice color. It's an important group of coins to me. Most of the images do not show much color or the actual look of the coin. I'm not happy with this but the auctions have already started. As is, they will not bring anywhere near what they should. This group was about 24K.
I'm going to ask GC to remove my coins from auction and pay any fees I owe.
Why don't you reach out to Ian cordially before jumping to conclusions? If they were just listed, it might take some time before any great photos are applied, and if they're toned I'm sure some will get them. Have you used GC before this? There have been many times when my coins haven't looked the greatest in a photo, yet still, they brought top-tier retail prices. I wouldn't underestimate other collectors' abilities to interpret GC photos, they have a gigantic clientele.
@ldhair said:
I just listed 37 toned coins. Most with really nice color. It's an important group of coins to me. Most of the images do not show much color or the actual look of the coin. I'm not happy with this but the auctions have already started. As is, they will not bring anywhere near what they should. This group was about 24K.
I'm going to ask GC to remove my coins from auction and pay any fees I owe.
This is not surprising to see a disappointed submitter. If a company introduces something much better and then selectively applies it with their clients................. Hope GC resolves this.
@ldhair said:
I just listed 37 toned coins. Most with really nice color. It's an important group of coins to me. Most of the images do not show much color or the actual look of the coin. I'm not happy with this but the auctions have already started. As is, they will not bring anywhere near what they should. This group was about 24K.
I'm going to ask GC to remove my coins from auction and pay any fees I owe.
This is not surprising to see a disappointed submitter. If a company introduces something much better and then selectively applies it with their clients................. Hope GC resolves this.
GC definitely needs to know about something to resolve it. If anyone has a question about a consignment in process, please call us directly. I now find myself trying to correct multiple posts. We do have a changing criteria for our images - it's going to be increasing and expanding as more time goes on, but it's not based on whether you're a $1 million consignor or a $250 consignor, which is being inferred.
In the case of @ldhair 's coins - looks like 80-85% of the coins already had GreatPhotos in the pipeline. We're always uploading more GreatPhotos - our goal is to have these images post 7-10 days prior to end of auction - and with time, that lead-time will probably be greater. I'm going to review the few that weren't selected initially.
PS. My personal opinion: ldhair's coins would sell extremely well even without images.
GC definitely needs to know about something to resolve it. If anyone has a question about a consignment in process, please call us directly. I now find myself trying to correct multiple posts. We do have a changing criteria for our images - it's going to be increasing and expanding as more time goes on, but it's not based on whether you're a $1 million consignor or a $250 consignor, which is being inferred.
In the case of @ldhair 's coins - looks like 80-85% of the coins already had GreatPhotos in the pipeline. We're always uploading more GreatPhotos - our goal is to have these images post 7-10 days prior to end of auction - and with time, that lead-time will probably be greater. I'm going to review the few that weren't selected initially.
PS. My personal opinion: ldhair's coins would sell extremely well even without images.
Probably the GC images for this one are more accurate - saturation looks amped on the TVs. But would want to see it in hand to determine for sure.
It probably even looks different in hand depending on what lighting is used. IMO, there is no one "correct" photograph of a coin. Everything looks different based on how you light it and what light you view it in/with. You also have to consider the application. A picture of a coin for a poster or a calendar is a different application than a picture used to determine if you want to buy it or not. I would expect the GC photos to lean toward showing as much detail as possible for buyers to make decisions rather than making the coin look as beautiful as possible.
@DeplorableDan said:
There have been several occasions where I was very interested in a coin, but hadn't gotten in touch with someone at GC in time to review a lot for me, and I passed because of a tiny bit of uncertainty due to the photos. I can almost positively state that Greatphoto will be the deciding factor that pushes me in the bidding direction on at least 1 coin in 2024, its a matter of time.
One coin in 2024 is a fairly small statement from you. And even then there's the "almost" caveat!!!! Couldn't we aim higher than a "maybe one"?
@ldhair said:
I just listed 37 toned coins. Most with really nice color. It's an important group of coins to me. Most of the images do not show much color or the actual look of the coin. I'm not happy with this but the auctions have already started. As is, they will not bring anywhere near what they should. This group was about 24K.
I'm going to ask GC to remove my coins from auction and pay any fees I owe.
This is not surprising to see a disappointed submitter. If a company introduces something much better and then selectively applies it with their clients................. Hope GC resolves this.
GC definitely needs to know about something to resolve it. If anyone has a question about a consignment in process, please call us directly. I now find myself trying to correct multiple posts. We do have a changing criteria for our images - it's going to be increasing and expanding as more time goes on, but it's not based on whether you're a $1 million consignor or a $250 consignor, which is being inferred.
In the case of @ldhair 's coins - looks like 80-85% of the coins already had GreatPhotos in the pipeline. We're always uploading more GreatPhotos - our goal is to have these images post 7-10 days prior to end of auction - and with time, that lead-time will probably be greater. I'm going to review the few that weren't selected initially.
PS. My personal opinion: ldhair's coins would sell extremely well even without images.
Ian
Thank you Ian. Please forgive my ignorance of the process. I'm sure your post will be of help to many others.
Larry
I'll be buying a lot more there thanks to the new photos. Already bought a few coins for the first time in a couple years including this one which looked exactly how I hoped in hand:
@PhilLynott said:
I'll be buying a lot more there thanks to the new photos. Already bought a few coins for the first time in a couple years including this one which looked exactly how I hoped in hand:
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The photos themself personally I can see what really format was took. For large corporations all use raw. The problem it is what soft use, how the light is apply, what lens use, distances from the object and etc. If I take a raw TV photo with axial light or three triangled and angled light, on (for example) Intele viwer, ON1, or Celular Molecular viwer, I will have different aspects.
So for me a corporation to keep secret the way how took the photos in order to be the most accurate with what you will see in the hand it is correct.
If I am wrong on this I please Phill to correct me.
I am glad for Ian to accuired Phill and improuve the presentations.
PS: As the latin expression: "De gustibus non est disputandum" we can not satisfy everyone.
NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT.
FIRST THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL.
THEN, THEY WILL BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE.
MARK TWAIN
I'm a big fan of PCGS, but sorry for saying this.....'Truview' is an oxymoron.
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It's really great to be able to see Phil's work on the other side of the slab now
Phil and TrueView has been amazing for the hobby. The major grading firms and now GC are all following TrueView's lead with standard size photos. It's great to see this expand and move to additional companies.
BTW, working with @PhilArnold is really a coup for @ianrussell and GC!
GC photos are now being used in eBay auctions so there's a direct link back to GC!
How do you get GreatPhoto when you list items on Great Collections? Most listings just show 2 images but some have the third composite image.
Unfortunately, so far most of the items I see on GC do not have a Great Photo. Even many over $1K valued items dont' have them, yet much lower valued items have Great Photos.
I think this is not going to be a good look for GC unless they can be consistent - either all coins get Great Photos, or all coins over a certain value do, etc. The images prior to Great Photo are as bad as all other auction houses and provide little info for bidding. That likely holds back the bidding and maxing out final bids. So why is this being applied so inconsistently so far and is that going to change?
Some less expensive coins do have them which is nice. These go for about $150 on the bay and it's great to have a GreatPhoto. I'm guessing this one got a GreatPhoto due to the toning.
‘’The images prior to Great Photo are as bad as all other auction houses and provide little info for bidding. That likely holds back the bidding and maxing out final bids. So why is this being applied so inconsistently so far and is that going to change?’’
Over the very short time period currently at issue (a few weeks) I have personally seen virtually no sales prices higher with Great Photo as compared to without Great Photo. Happy to provide Ian clear examples of this if he is interested (assuming he doesn’t already know this).
Wondercoin
I think the key here is 'very short time period'. I see lot of potentially beautifully toned coins on GC right now with no Great Photo. Can't tell for sure how nice they are because of the old style poor quality photos. There is no question in my mind that if they had Great Photos collectively, and if they have Great toning and the Great Photos reveal that, the bids would likely be higher in the end.........
There have been several occasions where I was very interested in a coin, but hadn't gotten in touch with someone at GC in time to review a lot for me, and I passed because of a tiny bit of uncertainty due to the photos. I can almost positively state that Greatphoto will be the deciding factor that pushes me in the bidding direction on at least 1 coin in 2024, its a matter of time.
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I learned a lot from this thread and should have had a better understanding before posting.
Why don't you reach out to Ian cordially before jumping to conclusions? If they were just listed, it might take some time before any great photos are applied, and if they're toned I'm sure some will get them. Have you used GC before this? There have been many times when my coins haven't looked the greatest in a photo, yet still, they brought top-tier retail prices. I wouldn't underestimate other collectors' abilities to interpret GC photos, they have a gigantic clientele.
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This is not surprising to see a disappointed submitter. If a company introduces something much better and then selectively applies it with their clients................. Hope GC resolves this.
Here's another great pair of images:
Probably the GC images for this one are more accurate - saturation looks amped on the TVs. But would want to see it in hand to determine for sure.
GC definitely needs to know about something to resolve it. If anyone has a question about a consignment in process, please call us directly. I now find myself trying to correct multiple posts. We do have a changing criteria for our images - it's going to be increasing and expanding as more time goes on, but it's not based on whether you're a $1 million consignor or a $250 consignor, which is being inferred.
In the case of @ldhair 's coins - looks like 80-85% of the coins already had GreatPhotos in the pipeline. We're always uploading more GreatPhotos - our goal is to have these images post 7-10 days prior to end of auction - and with time, that lead-time will probably be greater. I'm going to review the few that weren't selected initially.
PS. My personal opinion: ldhair's coins would sell extremely well even without images.
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Great news Ian, this is what folks like about GC.
Best, SH
It probably even looks different in hand depending on what lighting is used. IMO, there is no one "correct" photograph of a coin. Everything looks different based on how you light it and what light you view it in/with. You also have to consider the application. A picture of a coin for a poster or a calendar is a different application than a picture used to determine if you want to buy it or not. I would expect the GC photos to lean toward showing as much detail as possible for buyers to make decisions rather than making the coin look as beautiful as possible.
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One coin in 2024 is a fairly small statement from you. And even then there's the "almost" caveat!!!! Couldn't we aim higher than a "maybe one"?
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Thank you Ian. Please forgive my ignorance of the process. I'm sure your post will be of help to many others.
Larry
Here are nice photos from two forum photogs, @jtlee321 and @PhilArnold!
It's interesting that the CACG image is an in-holder image.
@PhilArnold @ianrussell Can we make requests for GreatPhotos?
Here's one which would be great to have a GreatPhoto!
https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1348417/Pattern-1879-Four-Dollar-Coiled-Hair-Stella-Struck-in-White-Metal-J-1641-PCGS-Proof-63-Simpson-Collection
This is in the pipeline. But as this thread is not monitored 24/7, please just email me something like this at ian@greatcollections.com.
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Sounds good. Thanks Ian!
I'll be buying a lot more there thanks to the new photos. Already bought a few coins for the first time in a couple years including this one which looked exactly how I hoped in hand:
Great looking coin @PhilLynott!