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Anyone seen this feature on a Genuine Trade Dollar?

burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

New bad 1873-CC from today (on the left) and a previous one I documented in my file. The obverse has an apparent "broken 8" common to both, while the reverse shares a number of common features.


The odd "IT" is the feature I am interested in if seen on any genuine variety.

Thanks,

Jack

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  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have never seen any genuine Trade Dollars with those features.

    Trade $'s
  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 3,046 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good catch.

  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 7 is almost broken also. It appears this one does not get some of the depth to the counterfeit. The hay is shallow but it is more apparent on the leaves in the extended hand as they float without stems. Here is a real one with what appears to be a fairly soft strike (AU55) but these features still clearly come through.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=2YNufnS_kf4 - Mama I'm coming home ...................................................................................................................................................................... RLJ 1958 - 2023

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You lost me @lilolme ; looking for the "IT features...

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Going through my archives I found an 1876 dated example:

  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:
    You lost me @lilolme ; looking for the "IT features...

    Not sure if they are considered IT features but the two in the OP are soft or shallow. The 1876 appears better. Below I pointed to some of the areas that are soft / shallow.

    As for the 1876 compared to the OP there appears to be more common 'marks' but in the second one of the OP a couple are harder to see and maybe due to photography.


    .

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=2YNufnS_kf4 - Mama I'm coming home ...................................................................................................................................................................... RLJ 1958 - 2023

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,489 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep, all fakes. doubled arrow tips as well as many other "defects" like missing or incomplete dentils.
    bob :)
    vegas, baby!

    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), [email protected]
  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Found this reverse and 2 others on DHgate fakes for sale:

  • Apollo_23Apollo_23 Posts: 126 ✭✭✭

    I posted about a trade dollar yesterday and someone here was nice enough to share with me a website that has all the die sets for trade dollars. It takes some work but you can match the coins. Excellent resource

  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Never have seen a pcgs style holder like this one:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/256362380246

  • RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 515 ✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:
    New bad 1873-CC from today (on the left) and a previous one I documented in my file. The obverse has an apparent "broken 8" common to both, while the reverse shares a number of common features.


    The odd "IT" is the feature I am interested in if seen on any genuine variety.

    Thanks,

    Jack

    Burfle are you aware that the entire design of each of them is wrong, not just the areas that you circled but the entire design elements of both coins are completely redone incorrectly by some talented counterfeiter but done incorrectly nonetheless

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2024 11:57AM

    I just highlighted some areas of interest and use them to help easily look for others. I am not a Trade collector or expert and work with what I have.

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1madman said:
    Never have seen a pcgs style holder like this one:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/256362380246

    I have; total CN fake; thanks for posting!

  • slider23slider23 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2024 8:44AM

    @RobertScotLover said:
    Burfle are you aware that the entire design of each of them is wrong, not just the areas that you circled but the entire design elements of both coins are completely redone incorrectly by some talented counterfeiter but done incorrectly nonetheless

    The only design element that I can find that is off is on the obverse: It has a type two design liberty ribbon tips, and 3 fingers type 1 holding the branch. The reverse appears to have the correct design elements. If there are more design elements that are off, please provide more information. On the reverse, the denticles are off for a trade dollar if you consider that as part of the design issue.

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My phoney 1873 CC $T has the dot in front of the arrow tip but not the other diagnostics. The reverse STATES OF AMERICA has Machine Doubling, but not United that I can tell. The 8 on obverse is not broken either.
    Jim



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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,328 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How Bogus 👎

  • RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 515 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 3, 2024 6:38PM

    @slider23 said:

    @RobertScotLover said:
    Burfle are you aware that the entire design of each of them is wrong, not just the areas that you circled but the entire design elements of both coins are completely redone incorrectly by some talented counterfeiter but done incorrectly nonetheless

    The only design element that I can find that is off is on the obverse: It has a type two design liberty ribbon tips, and 3 fingers type 1 holding the branch. The reverse appears to have the correct design elements. If there are more design elements that are off, please provide more information. On the reverse, the denticles are off for a trade dollar if you consider that as part of the design issue.

    Everything is wrong, of course basic design is correct which could easily fool the unsuspecting novice but every detail is done completely incorrectly, at least in my opinion just from comparing the counterfeit to the genuine shown, but maybe I am mistaken

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