The one thing that seems off is that it is a little too "white".
So I presume that it was lightly cleaned, but not bad enough to keep it from being "market acceptable".
But I still like it for the level of detail remaining and a lack of any significant marks.
Looks fine to me. It was probably dipped but all the grading services routinely slab dipped coins with straight grades provided they haven't been over dipped leaving dull surfaces.
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The coin is authentic- no question about that. The real concerns is the subjectivity in grading and whether a coin such as this deserves a straight grade. If you look at the pop reports for NGC and PCGS after looking at a coin like this, it begs the question what the surviving population of original coins really looks like- probably 20-25% of what is graded would likely be a reasonable "guesstimate".
The coin really illustrates the challenge in finding nice original Seated Dollars. And this has been an ongoing challenge for decades- nothing new.
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Looks like the graders were somewhat lenient on this one. A more modern or common coin would probably have been hit with a details or questionable surfaces grade.
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The sharpness grade seems fit. The question is whether or not you like white coins. I did when was in my teens in high school in the 1960s. So did most other collectors back then. Now they are not as popular, but still have a following.
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@braddick said:
AU55/58 surfaces.
Dipped.
NET: AU53.
I have found many AU53 grades is code with NGC for a small issue yet one not large enough to details only grade.
I have found many AU and mint state grades to be code with NGC and PCGS for issues not large enough to details-only grade. Among other coin types, I’ve seen many such Bust Dollars, as well.
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@RichieURich said:
Looks cleaned or dipped to me, but they were probably lenient because it is such a rare date.
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Based on the number of dipped or otherwise-cleaned Seated dollars I’ve seen in straight grade holders, I don’t think the date had anything to do with it. I’m of the opinion that the series tends to be treated rather leniently.
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What's to worry, it's NGC graded....................![:o :o](https://forums.collectors.com/resources/emoji/open_mouth.png)
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The one thing that seems off is that it is a little too "white".
So I presume that it was lightly cleaned, but not bad enough to keep it from being "market acceptable".
But I still like it for the level of detail remaining and a lack of any significant marks.
Looks fine to me. It was probably dipped but all the grading services routinely slab dipped coins with straight grades provided they haven't been over dipped leaving dull surfaces.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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It straight graded, but to me it looks like a dip or 2 has happened. Not bad but, too light for me. (Sorry Ricko!)
The coin is authentic- no question about that. The real concerns is the subjectivity in grading and whether a coin such as this deserves a straight grade. If you look at the pop reports for NGC and PCGS after looking at a coin like this, it begs the question what the surviving population of original coins really looks like- probably 20-25% of what is graded would likely be a reasonable "guesstimate".
The coin really illustrates the challenge in finding nice original Seated Dollars. And this has been an ongoing challenge for decades- nothing new.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Looks like the graders were somewhat lenient on this one. A more modern or common coin would probably have been hit with a details or questionable surfaces grade.
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Just looks like it’s been dipped and maybe wiped a bit. It's too bright for me as well.
Harshly cleaned and over graded, but authentic. Should be in a details holder.
Doug
Agreed
Let me put my sunglasses on and have another look...
Tough date. The fields look decent. Good detail. Coin does not feature original surfaces.
An untoned example of a tough date.
Pics from NGC cert look up. Their version of trueview I guess.
Other NGC cert look up pics
It's Kosher. It lacks mustard and relish.
I'm confused. I think it looks great and near rev cam for an AU. Beautiful. Congrats. Must have lain on its obverse in a cabinet for long time.
Jim
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Looks cleaned or dipped to me, but they were probably lenient because it is such a rare date.
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I don't think it is even close to being "harshly cleaned".
It does not have any wipe lines or polishing.
It has been dipped like a lot of straight-graded coins, but that was not done badly.
So I agree with a lower-range AU grade.
The sharpness grade seems fit. The question is whether or not you like white coins. I did when was in my teens in high school in the 1960s. So did most other collectors back then. Now they are not as popular, but still have a following.
That coin is not kosher, it has been skinny dipping in a cleaner. This rabbinical council doesn't approve.![:* :*](https://forums.collectors.com/resources/emoji/kiss.png)
AU55/58 surfaces.
Dipped.
NET: AU53.
I have found many AU53 grades is code with NGC for a small issue yet one not large enough to details only grade.
peacockcoins
I have found many AU and mint state grades to be code with NGC and PCGS for issues not large enough to details-only grade. Among other coin types, I’ve seen many such Bust Dollars, as well.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
This!
Has a similar look to many of the ship wreck coins I have seen. possibly gone through NGC conservation???
Mark
This!
Based on the number of dipped or otherwise-cleaned Seated dollars I’ve seen in straight grade holders, I don’t think the date had anything to do with it. I’m of the opinion that the series tends to be treated rather leniently.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
the surfaces look "dead" to me.