Question, forgetting its a fake, where is the DDO detected, I see zero evidence of it although if it is evident then it would be considered a new die marriage I would assume leading to one to question its authenticity, true? Not an expert in Trade Dollars but generally speaking that would be a true sign I would surmise
@burfle23 said: @lermish , have you seen this mintmark/ location on a genuine Trade? If so, what date?
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This is not what you asked but the shape of the letter 'c' does not look correct. The 'c' is typically what I would call a little taller that wide. Also the bottom typically curls up. That one looks almost round and is the bottom almost pointing horizontal but just slightly up.
I remembered the Morgan 78CC being different and checked it. It is round-like but almost closed. Here is the 73 Trade CC for shape and then the Morgan 78 CC for that more rounded 'c'.
Edit: @burfle23
I was looking at some HA auctions and noticed on the lower denominations / smaller coins that the shape of the 'c' is more round. Here is a 20c in the auction and link to auction (no dimes in it). Then checked the dime at CF and similar (link to images). Still does not look like the same but closer. Did they mix up the mint mark or is there actually a dollar out there with a smaller round style mint mark??
By position, the only match I have is the Ib25 reverse die, only identified use on the 1874-CC C-12. The obverse has a date that is fairly well centered, set right with the shaft of the 1 almost directly under the O in the motto. The size and spacing of the cc is not a match when I look though. CC Trade dollars are the most counterfeited ones, for obvious reasons.
Here are the CC Trade dollar reverse mintmarks in my desktop folder, in case it comes in handy. They will be a presented resource in the final book of course.
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Question, forgetting its a fake, where is the DDO detected, I see zero evidence of it although if it is evident then it would be considered a new die marriage I would assume leading to one to question its authenticity, true? Not an expert in Trade Dollars but generally speaking that would be a true sign I would surmise
@lermish , have you seen this mintmark/ location on a genuine Trade? If so, what date?
I am not an expert, I would double check with @alefzero , but it doesn't look like any mintmark I recognize.
@OriginalDan , @Crypto - can either of you place that MM?
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This is not what you asked but the shape of the letter 'c' does not look correct. The 'c' is typically what I would call a little taller that wide. Also the bottom typically curls up. That one looks almost round and is the bottom almost pointing horizontal but just slightly up.
I remembered the Morgan 78CC being different and checked it. It is round-like but almost closed. Here is the 73 Trade CC for shape and then the Morgan 78 CC for that more rounded 'c'.
http://registry.ssdcvams.com/Trade/1873-CC_Trade.html
http://vamworld.com/wiki/1878-CC_Reverses
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@burfle23
I was looking at some HA auctions and noticed on the lower denominations / smaller coins that the shape of the 'c' is more round. Here is a 20c in the auction and link to auction (no dimes in it). Then checked the dime at CF and similar (link to images). Still does not look like the same but closer. Did they mix up the mint mark or is there actually a dollar out there with a smaller round style mint mark??
https://coins.ha.com/c/search/results.zx?dept=1909&mode=live&auction_name=60370&ic=Items-OpenAuctions-Open-BrowseCatalog-051914
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10c images
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1872-cc-10c/images/4657
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wwmUMvhy-lY - Pink Me And Bobby McGee
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=D0FPxuQv2ns - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Maybe I'm Amazed
RLJ 1958 - 2023
Thanks both! I think the shape is off as well. I always try to find a genuine example the fakes are modeled after but this reverse has me stumped...
Maybe @Insider3 would have some thoughts?
By position, the only match I have is the Ib25 reverse die, only identified use on the 1874-CC C-12. The obverse has a date that is fairly well centered, set right with the shaft of the 1 almost directly under the O in the motto. The size and spacing of the cc is not a match when I look though. CC Trade dollars are the most counterfeited ones, for obvious reasons.
Here are the CC Trade dollar reverse mintmarks in my desktop folder, in case it comes in handy. They will be a presented resource in the final book of course.
Awesome; than you @alefzero !