2000-P Sacagawea dollars Reverse Die Crack (That's #9!)

OAKSTAR

I found this first one months ago roll hunting.

OAKSTAR

I found this one yesterday. Obviously from the same anvil die. I'm just wondering how many made it into circulation before the die was replaced or shattered.

may

Cool finds, the second one looks to be a slightly later die state than the first.

gumby1234

Its a pre cud die break.

Steven59

Excellent. Haven't seen any die cracks that advanced on Sac dollars before.

1madman

These are fairly scarce (think I’ve found less than 5 total) but I’ve never seen much interest in the market for them. Very nice broken dies

Here’s one I sold:
https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1131200/Mint-Error-2000-P-Sacagawea-Dollar-Broken-Dies-ICG-MS-63

OAKSTAR

@1madman said:
These are fairly scarce (think I’ve found less than 5 total) but I’ve never seen much interest in the market for them. Very nice broken dies

Here’s one I sold:
https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1131200/Mint-Error-2000-P-Sacagawea-Dollar-Broken-Dies-ICG-MS-63

That is interesting. Can I ask where you found them?

Like @gumby1234 said pre cud. I found this on Cuds-on-coins.

1madman

Found them roll searching a couple decades ago

OAKSTAR

@1madman said:
Found them roll searching a couple decades ago

Where? Where are you located in this world?

lilolme

@OAKSTAR said:
I found this one yesterday. Obviously from the same anvil die. I'm just wondering how many made it into circulation before the die was replaced or shattered.

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A little interesting that the ones here all appear to have similar stage of die cracks (including the one coming off the R in dollar and toward tail then star).

So how quickly did the cracks progress on this die? I don't know but cracks can be slow to very quick to progress and much of that depends on the stresses in the metal at the crack(s) under loading. If most are cracked similarly, then the cracks may have occurred very quickly. If the cracks progressed slowly, then should be many showing the crack progression.

From the mint website:
https://www.usmint.gov/learn/production-process/coin-production

"A circulating coin press strikes 750 coins per minute. The Philadelphia Mint produces 47,250 coins per minute if all of its 63 presses are operational. The Denver Mint makes 40,500 coins per minute with its 54 coin presses. That results in millions of circulating coins each day."

"Once the press strikes the coins, they drop into either a bin or a tray. An inspector examines samples for errors. If they pass inspection, they move to packaging. If circulating coins don’t meet certain standards, the batch goes to a machine called a waffler. The waffler bends the coins to form wavy lines before they’re sent for recycling."

A couple things from the above is the rate of coin strikes and the wording "don't meet certain standards..." which doesn't give much information on when a die is considered to be 'bad'. The 750 coins per minute would be 45,000. per hour or just over 1 million in 24 hours of run time (don't know how many hours per day they operate the presses, shifts...).

1madman

United States, east of the Mississippi river. I traveled extensively and got rolls all along the east coast. I do remember I never found more than 1 of these at a time, and it was years between finds.

OAKSTAR

Thanks @lilolme. Yes, I've read most of that. It's a shame most all of this is speculation but I guess that's what makes this interesting.

OAKSTAR

@1madman said:
United States, east of the Mississippi river. I traveled extensively and got rolls all along the east coast. I do remember I never found more than 1 of these at a time, and it was years between finds.

Great! Okay, thanks. So you may have found them from roll along the east coast. I'm hoping not down in Mississippi!! 😂 😉 I'm just trying to narrow down where these things "may" have been dumped into circulation.

OAKSTAR

Well they must be common. I found two more. I don't know, how many could have been minted and dumped into circulation before the die shattered or was replaced.

CaptHenway

Way Kewl!

OAKSTAR

2fun2Bbad

Awesome finds! I have never come across such a die break, little jelly lol

OAKSTAR

Well, that's four! Again, not sure how rare or significant this is but it's interesting. I guess the fed dumped them in my area.

Steven59

@OAKSTAR said:

" I guess the fed dumped them in my area. "

Hey now, are you allowed to say that?

CRHer700

@OAKSTAR said:
Well, that's four! Again, not sure how rare or significant this is but it's interesting. I guess the fed dumped them in my area.

Where are you located? Maybe I should go there and look for these!

OAKSTAR

It's a mess but it's all there, number 5!

Before an acetone bath:

After:

OAKSTAR

#6

JBK

Number 6 looks like a major cud was on the way.

OAKSTAR

@JBK said:
Number 6 looks like a major cud was on the way.

They all look the same. Die cracks, cuds, retained cuds?.. Something!

Namvet69

Definitely worth searching for. On my to do list.

OAKSTAR

This is number 7, I think.

air4mdc

Nice find for sure. Sometimes roll searching has it rewards.

erwindoc

Just a few coins away from big time destruction!

OAKSTAR

@erwindoc said:
Just a few coins away from big time destruction!

That's the one we all would like! 🤣 😉

NeophyteNumismatist

Very cool @OAKSTAR !

OAKSTAR

Thanks @NeophyteNumismatist

Can't do much with them. Just fun to find. It seems they must have been dumped into circulation in my general geographic area.

MsMorrisine

@OAKSTAR said:
It seems they must have been dumped into circulation in my general geographic area

are you anywhere near connecticut?

OAKSTAR

@MsMorrisine said:

@OAKSTAR said:
It seems they must have been dumped into circulation in my general geographic area

are you anywhere near connecticut?

No, mid Atlantic East Coast.

OAKSTAR

That's number 9. I must have missed one. I've been calling it a die crack. I guess it's a pre cud or retained cud.