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2000-P Sacagawea dollars Reverse Die Crack (That's #11!)

OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 31, 2024 7:34AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I found this first one months ago roll hunting.

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  • maymay Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cool finds, the second one looks to be a slightly later die state than the first.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Its a pre cud die break.

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  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2023 5:25AM

    These are fairly scarce (think I’ve found less than 5 total) but I’ve never seen much interest in the market for them. Very nice broken dies

    Here’s one I sold:
    https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1131200/Mint-Error-2000-P-Sacagawea-Dollar-Broken-Dies-ICG-MS-63

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1madman said:
    These are fairly scarce (think I’ve found less than 5 total) but I’ve never seen much interest in the market for them. Very nice broken dies

    Here’s one I sold:
    https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1131200/Mint-Error-2000-P-Sacagawea-Dollar-Broken-Dies-ICG-MS-63

    That is interesting. Can I ask where you found them?

    Like @gumby1234 said pre cud. I found this on Cuds-on-coins.

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  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Found them roll searching a couple decades ago

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1madman said:
    Found them roll searching a couple decades ago

    Where? Where are you located in this world?

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  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    I found this one yesterday. Obviously from the same anvil die. I'm just wondering how many made it into circulation before the die was replaced or shattered.

    .
    A little interesting that the ones here all appear to have similar stage of die cracks (including the one coming off the R in dollar and toward tail then star).

    So how quickly did the cracks progress on this die? I don't know but cracks can be slow to very quick to progress and much of that depends on the stresses in the metal at the crack(s) under loading. If most are cracked similarly, then the cracks may have occurred very quickly. If the cracks progressed slowly, then should be many showing the crack progression.

    From the mint website:
    https://www.usmint.gov/learn/production-process/coin-production

    "A circulating coin press strikes 750 coins per minute. The Philadelphia Mint produces 47,250 coins per minute if all of its 63 presses are operational. The Denver Mint makes 40,500 coins per minute with its 54 coin presses. That results in millions of circulating coins each day."

    "Once the press strikes the coins, they drop into either a bin or a tray. An inspector examines samples for errors. If they pass inspection, they move to packaging. If circulating coins don’t meet certain standards, the batch goes to a machine called a waffler. The waffler bends the coins to form wavy lines before they’re sent for recycling."

    A couple things from the above is the rate of coin strikes and the wording "don't meet certain standards..." which doesn't give much information on when a die is considered to be 'bad'. The 750 coins per minute would be 45,000. per hour or just over 1 million in 24 hours of run time (don't know how many hours per day they operate the presses, shifts...).

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  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    United States, east of the Mississippi river. I traveled extensively and got rolls all along the east coast. I do remember I never found more than 1 of these at a time, and it was years between finds.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks @lilolme. Yes, I've read most of that. It's a shame most all of this is speculation but I guess that's what makes this interesting.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1madman said:
    United States, east of the Mississippi river. I traveled extensively and got rolls all along the east coast. I do remember I never found more than 1 of these at a time, and it was years between finds.

    Great! Okay, thanks. So you may have found them from roll along the east coast. I'm hoping not down in Mississippi!! 😂 😉 I'm just trying to narrow down where these things "may" have been dumped into circulation.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • 2fun2Bbad2fun2Bbad Posts: 110 ✭✭

    Awesome finds! I have never come across such a die break, little jelly lol

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, that's four! Again, not sure how rare or significant this is but it's interesting. I guess the fed dumped them in my area.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    " I guess the fed dumped them in my area. "

    Hey now, are you allowed to say that? :D

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

  • CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    Well, that's four! Again, not sure how rare or significant this is but it's interesting. I guess the fed dumped them in my area.

    Where are you located? Maybe I should go there and look for these! :D

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's a mess but it's all there, number 5!

    Before an acetone bath:

    After:

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 21, 2024 6:33AM

    #6

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 21, 2024 6:45AM

    Number 6 looks like a major cud was on the way.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    Number 6 looks like a major cud was on the way.

    They all look the same. Die cracks, cuds, retained cuds?.. Something!

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,068 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Definitely worth searching for. On my to do list.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is number 7, I think.

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  • air4mdcair4mdc Posts: 924 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice find for sure. Sometimes roll searching has it rewards.

  • erwindocerwindoc Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just a few coins away from big time destruction!

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 21, 2024 5:43PM

    @erwindoc said:
    Just a few coins away from big time destruction!

    That's the one we all would like! 🤣 😉

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  • NeophyteNumismatistNeophyteNumismatist Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very cool @OAKSTAR !

    I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks @NeophyteNumismatist

    Can't do much with them. Just fun to find. It seems they must have been dumped into circulation in my general geographic area.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    It seems they must have been dumped into circulation in my general geographic area

    are you anywhere near connecticut?

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:

    @OAKSTAR said:
    It seems they must have been dumped into circulation in my general geographic area

    are you anywhere near connecticut?

    No, mid Atlantic East Coast.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's number 9. I must have missed one. I've been calling it a die crack. I guess it's a pre cud or retained cud.

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  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    That's number 11. Like I said; not sure how significant they are. Just some fun finds.

    However, I would love to have the shattered die to go with these!!

    Are you working on getting a roll? :D

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MWallace said:

    @OAKSTAR said:
    That's number 11. Like I said; not sure how significant they are. Just some fun finds.

    However, I would love to have the shattered die to go with these!!

    Are you working on getting a roll? :D

    I guess I'm headed that way. 🤣 👍 Wouldn't you love to have the actually die that created these things?

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  • CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I still can't find one. I check all of the 2000-Ps for it, but it seems to have been dumped in or around your area, which is 1000+miles away from me. 😂

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  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,813 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cool, I’m going to keep an eye out for one of these. The vending machines where I work give out golden dollars I. Change when you pay with $5 bills, I’m going to pay for anything I get with $5 bills and look for one

    Mr_Spud

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mr_Spud said:
    Cool, I’m going to keep an eye out for one of these. The vending machines where I work give out golden dollars I. Change when you pay with $5 bills, I’m going to pay for anything I get with $5 bills and look for one

    Forget the vending machines. Just go to a bank and get some.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,813 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Mr_Spud said:
    Cool, I’m going to keep an eye out for one of these. The vending machines where I work give out golden dollars I. Change when you pay with $5 bills, I’m going to pay for anything I get with $5 bills and look for one

    Forget the vending machines. Just go to a bank and get some.

    Good idea, but the vending machines give me something fun to do while taking a break at work. I also like to take a walk at lunchtime to check a Coinstar that’s in a grocery store about a mile away from where I work as a way to make exercising more fun.

    Mr_Spud

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mr_Spud said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Mr_Spud said:
    Cool, I’m going to keep an eye out for one of these. The vending machines where I work give out golden dollars I. Change when you pay with $5 bills, I’m going to pay for anything I get with $5 bills and look for one

    Forget the vending machines. Just go to a bank and get some.

    Good idea, but the vending machines give me something fun to do while taking a break at work. I also like to take a walk at lunchtime to check a Coinstar that’s in a grocery store about a mile away from where I work as a way to make exercising more fun.

    I guess that's a plan and can be fun. Just don't eat that junk you're getting out of that vending machine! 🤣 😉

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  • goodmoney4badmoneygoodmoney4badmoney Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These are great! I’m amazed at how many you’ve found.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @goodmoney4badmoney said:
    These are great! I’m amazed at how many you’ve found.

    Thanks, so am I. You just never know what's out there, until you try.

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