@pursuitofliberty said:
Probably not the opinion most have (although seems like one or two might agree with me), but the grade looks like it fits. An impaired surfaces proof that was straight, albeit net graded (and by all accounts, it appears that was the correct call)
I’ve owned/handled hundreds of proof Seated Dollars over the years…. IMO, this coin is a solid 62. Oddly, for a novodel/restrike, it’s weakly struck and has some minor planchet flaws on the upper rim/edge, but overall it’s a gorgeous, original piece.
Interesting comment, as a Proof 62 would also not be an original example based on generally accepted grading standards (or it would just be peppered with marks or brandishing noticeable hairlines).
And FWIW the difference between a 61 and a 62 is, well ... probably most literally the flip of a coin. On any given day, either grade can apply.
But obviously, you know more than we do and you want to argue your points ... so, don't mind me.
My friend you got me all wrong, I’m not trying to argue anything and I certainly respect differing opinions… I was just offering mine.
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Three things.
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1 - You do realize you have made some really silly statements in this thread for someone who has purportedly "owned/handled hundreds of proof Seated Dollars over the years", correct? Your lack of apparent understanding about common grading practices, what constitutes specific grades, surface qualities, originality, toning, etc. is noticeable. It might be better to ask for opinions and listen and learn, other than to type a lot and reveal yourself completely.
2 - Also, you do realize that a few people that have posted in this thread (not me) are absolutely legendary numismatists in our time, with massive experience in this series, right? I mean, I am pretty sure one of them even HAS actually handled and owned hundreds of Proof Seated Dollars.
3 - Finally. We are not friends. We might be someday, as I am friendly to most, but I typically do not feed trolls. And you are starting to smell like one, at least to me.
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my 2c ... YMMV
yes ... I can be an a*******
Hey Todd. Get a cup of Joe!
Q: When does a collector become a numismatist?
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
@Batman23 said:
The coin looks nice. I'm going to guess MS64. Personally I would have kept it in PCGS plastic but that's just me.
Yep…. You’re 100% right. Apparently the coin was crossed several years ago, long before I became involved. The coin belongs to a client and he’s a staunch NGC proponent. We recently had it re-holdered at his request. If I owned the coin outright, it would go back to PCGS.
I’ll go out on a limb here and assume he doesn’t sell very often? Lol
I am trying to rap my head around your clients wisdom. It was in a pcgs rattler, but he rather it be in a new NGC holder. All I can say is wow and I question his mental state....so how old is this guy?
@Batman23 said:
The coin looks nice. I'm going to guess MS64. Personally I would have kept it in PCGS plastic but that's just me.
Yep…. You’re 100% right. Apparently the coin was crossed several years ago, long before I became involved. The coin belongs to a client and he’s a staunch NGC proponent. We recently had it re-holdered at his request. If I owned the coin outright, it would go back to PCGS.
I’ll go out on a limb here and assume he doesn’t sell very often? Lol
I am trying to rap my head around your clients wisdom. It was in a pcgs rattler, but he rather it be in a new NGC holder. All I can say is wow and I question his mental state....so how old is this guy?
To be fair, the guy likes NGC holders and I'm guessing he might have expected a grade bump. Just didn't work out that way,
@Batman23 said:
The coin looks nice. I'm going to guess MS64. Personally I would have kept it in PCGS plastic but that's just me.
Yep…. You’re 100% right. Apparently the coin was crossed several years ago, long before I became involved. The coin belongs to a client and he’s a staunch NGC proponent. We recently had it re-holdered at his request. If I owned the coin outright, it would go back to PCGS.
I’ll go out on a limb here and assume he doesn’t sell very often? Lol
I am trying to rap my head around your clients wisdom. It was in a pcgs rattler, but he rather it be in a new NGC holder. All I can say is wow and I question his mental state....so how old is this guy?
To be fair, the guy likes NGC holders and I'm guessing he might have expected a grade bump. Just didn't work out that way,
I believe you but I am dumbfounded by the decision. Talking about leaving money on the table, talking about using discernment by a knowledgeable collector. Cracking out of an old pcgs rattler for a possible higher graded new NGC holder just doesn't make any sense no matter which way one looks at it. I am wondering what motivates someone to do such a illogical act especially one with a super high end collection. Mindboggling.
@Batman23 said:
The coin looks nice. I'm going to guess MS64. Personally I would have kept it in PCGS plastic but that's just me.
Yep…. You’re 100% right. Apparently the coin was crossed several years ago, long before I became involved. The coin belongs to a client and he’s a staunch NGC proponent. We recently had it re-holdered at his request. If I owned the coin outright, it would go back to PCGS.
I’ll go out on a limb here and assume he doesn’t sell very often? Lol
I am trying to rap my head around your clients wisdom. It was in a pcgs rattler, but he rather it be in a new NGC holder. All I can say is wow and I question his mental state....so how old is this guy?
To be fair, the guy likes NGC holders and I'm guessing he might have expected a grade bump. Just didn't work out that way,
I believe you but I am dumbfounded by the decision. Talking about leaving money on the table, talking about using discernment by a knowledgeable collector. Cracking out of an old pcgs rattler for a possible higher graded new NGC holder just doesn't make any sense no matter which way one looks at it. I am wondering what motivates someone to do such an illogical act especially one with a super high end collection. Mindboggling.
Sometimes you are just new and not plugged into the market. When I get back into collecting in the early 2000s I crossed a bunch of better gold in OGHs and rattlers to ANACS holders (not even the soap bars) so they would all be the same and PCGS wasn’t quite open to collectors yet I didn’t want to pay the dealer submission rates. My opinion of ANACS was strong from the early 90s and I was just confused.
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Hey Todd. Get a cup of Joe!
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
Let me get this straight> @DeplorableDan said:
I am trying to rap my head around your clients wisdom. It was in a pcgs rattler, but he rather it be in a new NGC holder. All I can say is wow and I question his mental state....so how old is this guy?
To be fair, the guy likes NGC holders and I'm guessing he might have expected a grade bump. Just didn't work out that way,
I believe you but I am dumbfounded by the decision. Talking about leaving money on the table, talking about using discernment by a knowledgeable collector. Cracking out of an old pcgs rattler for a possible higher graded new NGC holder just doesn't make any sense no matter which way one looks at it. I am wondering what motivates someone to do such a illogical act especially one with a super high end collection. Mindboggling.
Sometimes you are just new and not plugged into the market. When I get back into collecting in the early 2000s I crossed a bunch of better gold in OGHs and rattlers to ANACS holders (not even the soap bars) so they would all be the same and PCGS wasn’t quite open to collectors yet I didn’t want to pay the dealer submission rates. My opinion of ANACS was strong from the early 90s and I was just confused.
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