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1869 Seated Dollar GTG . Answer it is an ANACS oldie MS63 with explanation at end of first page

RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited November 5, 2023 7:33PM in U.S. Coin Forum


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  • Morgan WhiteMorgan White Posts: 8,009 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,771 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU63

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,639 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS65

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  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,921 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't know but that is fantastic!

  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful Seated dollar. MS65

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS63. I see hairlines.

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,685 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 3, 2023 12:37PM

    MS-63, nice attractive coin.

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  • spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. Awesome pictures and great looking coin!
  • BadaBlingBadaBling Posts: 104 ✭✭✭

    63…. Gorgeous coin regardless of the grade! 👍🏻

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. There are hairline. Also a few small scratches and nicks on obverse, mostly well hidden. Love the look.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Probably an MS coin but I'll buck the trend and say she's a slider at AU58+

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  • tommy44tommy44 Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63, I like it a lot.

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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU/BU

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  • The_Dinosaur_ManThe_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS-64. That coin deserves a fancy video.

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  • Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Market grades to 62

  • CrepidoderaCrepidodera Posts: 428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63 or 64

  • ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First thought was 63 but would not be surprised to see it in a 64 holder.

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 6,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65

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  • scotty4449scotty4449 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Excellent coin! My first thought was 62, but a higher grade would not surprise me for that coin.

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • dhikewhitneydhikewhitney Posts: 484 ✭✭✭✭

    MS65 (if straight graded)

  • JBNJBN Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62 and thanks for a tough GTG.

  • RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 3, 2023 10:41PM

    Just had to show what NFC has listed on ebay, an 1869 NGC ms63

    I just cannot believe that NGC calls this an ms63, simply amazing

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,639 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 3, 2023 9:57PM

    That is unbelievable.

    Edited to add:
    :|

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 4, 2023 12:53PM

    @RobertScotLover said:
    Just had to show what NFC has listed on ebay, an 1869 NGC ms63

    I just cannot believe that NGC calls this an ms63, simply amazing

    I’m guessing your “amazing” comment was based in your thinking the coin is under-graded by at least two points.😉

    Seriously, though, while it's unattractive, at least it looks uncirculated. Had you posted it in a guess-the-grade thread, I think I would have guessed MS62.

    By the way, the one you first posted looks like a 64 to me.

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    61

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,614 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do not understand the 'update' in the middle of the page. Why show a different coin with different lighting?

    I really like the reverse die clash on your first coin. I will go with MS64/65 if not details cleaned/altered surfaces ++

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,559 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    I do not understand the 'update' in the middle of the page. Why show a different coin with different lighting?

    I really like the reverse die clash on your first coin. I will go with MS64/65 if not details cleaned/altered surfaces ++

    Perhaps it was to support his belief that some of the grade guesses were too low, if not considerably so?

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 4, 2023 10:36AM

    IMO, the OP coin has been gently cleaned. An awful lot of the coins that look PQ to collectors’ eyes have been silently net graded for something that the TPG recognizes but the collectors do not.

  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tradedollarnut said:
    IMO, the OP coin has been gently cleaned. An awful lot of the coins that look PQ to collectors’ eyes have been silently net graded for something that the TPG recognizes but the collectors do not.

    Perhaps this is because we only see a picture of the coin and have to evaluate it on a limited scale, whereas having the coin in hand as graders do, much more information can be gleaned from that vantage point. IMO.

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,670 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 4, 2023 12:41PM

    @RobertScotLover said:
    Just had to show what NFC has listed on ebay, an 1869 NGC ms63

    I just cannot believe that NGC calls this an ms63, simply amazing

    I don't like this one, at all.

    I saw it on eBay, when I was looking for this date.

    I really like my own 61 MUCH better.

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  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62 is my guess. Netted for some minor handling issues.

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  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 4, 2023 12:49PM

    @jfriedm56 said:

    @tradedollarnut said:
    IMO, the OP coin has been gently cleaned. An awful lot of the coins that look PQ to collectors’ eyes have been silently net graded for something that the TPG recognizes but the collectors do not.

    Perhaps this is because we only see a picture of the coin and have to evaluate it on a limited scale, whereas having the coin in hand as graders do, much more information can be gleaned from that vantage point. IMO.

    It's pretty easy to spot the issue imho. You get these breaks in the luster bands where things kinda go dark, that's a telltale sign of disturbed luster. Throw in the lack of luster breaks on the high points of the devices, and you know it's an unc that was probably messed with at some point.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 4, 2023 12:49PM

    @tradedollarnut said:
    61

    Bruce, once the grade’s been revealed, if you feel up to it, I’d appreciate your thoughts on the coin.> @tradedollarnut said:

    IMO, the OP coin has been gently cleaned. An awful lot of the coins that look PQ to collectors’ eyes have been silently net graded for something that the TPG recognizes but the collectors do not.

    Thanks and agreed about many coins having been silently net graded. I didn't see anything of significance in the images of the subject coin to make me think it would be graded less than 63, however.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @tradedollarnut said:
    61

    Bruce, once the grade’s been revealed, if you feel up to it, I’d appreciate your thoughts on the coin.> @tradedollarnut said:

    IMO, the OP coin has been gently cleaned. An awful lot of the coins that look PQ to collectors’ eyes have been silently net graded for something that the TPG recognizes but the collectors do not.

    Thanks and agreed about many coins having been silently net graded. I didn't see anything of significance in the images of the subject coin to make me think it would be graded less than 63, however.

    And that’s totally possible as I’m just trying to assess an image. But I see a lack of luster in the fields with a bit of an ‘off’ appearance and chose that interpretation.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,559 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @MFeld said:

    @tradedollarnut said:
    61

    Bruce, once the grade’s been revealed, if you feel up to it, I’d appreciate your thoughts on the coin.> @tradedollarnut said:

    IMO, the OP coin has been gently cleaned. An awful lot of the coins that look PQ to collectors’ eyes have been silently net graded for something that the TPG recognizes but the collectors do not.

    Thanks and agreed about many coins having been silently net graded. I didn't see anything of significance in the images of the subject coin to make me think it would be graded less than 63, however.

    And that’s totally possible as I’m just trying to assess an image. But I see a lack of luster in the fields with a bit of an ‘off’ appearance and chose that interpretation.

    As am I with respect to the images. And I know from past occasions, when you and I have had differing grade guesses, I’ve often been on the short end of the reveal results. ;)

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • lermishlermish Posts: 3,653 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @MFeld said:

    @tradedollarnut said:
    61

    Bruce, once the grade’s been revealed, if you feel up to it, I’d appreciate your thoughts on the coin.> @tradedollarnut said:

    IMO, the OP coin has been gently cleaned. An awful lot of the coins that look PQ to collectors’ eyes have been silently net graded for something that the TPG recognizes but the collectors do not.

    Thanks and agreed about many coins having been silently net graded. I didn't see anything of significance in the images of the subject coin to make me think it would be graded less than 63, however.

    And that’s totally possible as I’m just trying to assess an image. But I see a lack of luster in the fields with a bit of an ‘off’ appearance and chose that interpretation.

    62.

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  • Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So where did we end up here?

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can we get the reveal?

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