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1869 Seated Dollar GTG . Answer it is an ANACS oldie MS63 with explanation at end of first page
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I don't know but that is fantastic!
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Beautiful Seated dollar. MS65
MS63. I see hairlines.
63.
MS-63, nice attractive coin.
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63…. Gorgeous coin regardless of the grade! 👍🏻
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Probably an MS coin but I'll buck the trend and say she's a slider at AU58+
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63, I like it a lot.
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MS-64. That coin deserves a fancy video.
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Market grades to 62
63 or 64
First thought was 63 but would not be surprised to see it in a 64 holder.
65
Mr_Spud
Excellent coin! My first thought was 62, but a higher grade would not surprise me for that coin.
61
MS65 (if straight graded)
62 and thanks for a tough GTG.
Just had to show what NFC has listed on ebay, an 1869 NGC ms63
I just cannot believe that NGC calls this an ms63, simply amazing
That is unbelievable.
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peacockcoins
I’m guessing your “amazing” comment was based in your thinking the coin is under-graded by at least two points.😉
Seriously, though, while it's unattractive, at least it looks uncirculated. Had you posted it in a guess-the-grade thread, I think I would have guessed MS62.
By the way, the one you first posted looks like a 64 to me.
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61
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I do not understand the 'update' in the middle of the page. Why show a different coin with different lighting?
I really like the reverse die clash on your first coin. I will go with MS64/65 if not details cleaned/altered surfaces ++
Perhaps it was to support his belief that some of the grade guesses were too low, if not considerably so?
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IMO, the OP coin has been gently cleaned. An awful lot of the coins that look PQ to collectors’ eyes have been silently net graded for something that the TPG recognizes but the collectors do not.
Perhaps this is because we only see a picture of the coin and have to evaluate it on a limited scale, whereas having the coin in hand as graders do, much more information can be gleaned from that vantage point. IMO.
I don't like this one, at all.
I saw it on eBay, when I was looking for this date.
I really like my own 61 MUCH better.
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62 is my guess. Netted for some minor handling issues.
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It's pretty easy to spot the issue imho. You get these breaks in the luster bands where things kinda go dark, that's a telltale sign of disturbed luster. Throw in the lack of luster breaks on the high points of the devices, and you know it's an unc that was probably messed with at some point.
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Bruce, once the grade’s been revealed, if you feel up to it, I’d appreciate your thoughts on the coin.> @tradedollarnut said:
Thanks and agreed about many coins having been silently net graded. I didn't see anything of significance in the images of the subject coin to make me think it would be graded less than 63, however.
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And that’s totally possible as I’m just trying to assess an image. But I see a lack of luster in the fields with a bit of an ‘off’ appearance and chose that interpretation.
As am I with respect to the images. And I know from past occasions, when you and I have had differing grade guesses, I’ve often been on the short end of the reveal results.
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62.
As an unrelated aside, as a chopmarked trade dollar collector, I am very happy that the Legend is back here on the forums more often.
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So where did we end up here?
Can we get the reveal?
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Thank you to all that participated.
Firstly, The reason for my adding the update (the ngc ms63) is because my set piece which resides in an older ANACS holder also graded ms63 and upon seeing the ebay listing for the other 1869 ms63 I was taken aback by the vast differences in grading standards, old vs new, so that's all there was to it, nothing more nothing less.
All members guesses are absolutely valid, and their opinions are very much appreciated. The only thing that I can add to the thread is that my photos unfortunately are not all that helpful or realistic and don't reflect the true color or surfaces ie the luster etc of the coin but that is to be expected with photos, and that's the problem with grading off of photos. If Phil had taken them with his superb lighting and newest technology there surely would have been a better photos from which to grade from but it is what it is.
As to an old gentle cleaning or minor handling issues, I see nothing like that in hand but I could always miss something in hand too. And although CAC will not sticker these slabs I would venture that it was conservatively graded and side with it being a true ms64, but that is obviously my opinion and we all know ownership adds a point. That being said I would love to be able to meet at a coin show and get the opinions of the members here because my grading skills are always changing, and hopefully improving with time.
I truly dig these type of threads, incredibly educational, and as we all have learned grading from photos is always inherently problematic but its still fun to critique them and give one's free opinions, especially over weekends during down time for some.