Restrike coins

Mizzou

Technically, a “restrike” is a coin (or medal or token) struck from original dies but at a later date. So how can you tell if it's a restrike if the original dies are used?

TomB

I would think there are at least three ways that might be able to help determine-

1) If the original die is paired with a die it had not been paired with previously.
2) If the original die has been modified in any way to repair damage or bring out or change details between usages.
3) If the original die suffered some damage or accidental alteration between usages.

IkesT

Changes in die rotation are also useful.

OAKSTAR

@TomB said:

3) If the original die suffered some damage or accidental alteration between usages.

What's a example of accidental alteration?

retirednow

@OAKSTAR said:

@TomB said:

3) If the original die suffered some damage or accidental alteration between usages.

What's a example of accidental alteration?

Rusty dies for one

CaptHenway

Struck over a coin of a later date.

yosclimber

There is a related category where coins are struck deliberately with a die year more than 1 year prior to the current year.
In particular, proof half dimes and dimes dated 1863 and 1864 that were struck in the 1870s.
These have different dies than the originals, as the original dies were not saved.
And they have hub features like open D which were not present in the original dies.
Some were struck on non-silver planchets and classified as patterns.
Others were struck from the same dies, on silver planchets.

Similar are the 1804 dollar and eagle in the King of Siam proof set with the other coins dated 1834.

Sometimes these are called restrikes, but there might be a better name for them.

Namvet69

So would the 1780 Theresa Taler be another example of an official restrike

Mr_Spud

Here’s an example of a restrike where there are known pick up points from when the dies were polished, but PCGS didn’t note that it was a restrike when they slabbed it

OAKSTAR

The first thing I thought of when I saw the title was DC.

Mizzou

@OAKSTAR said:
The first thing I thought of when I saw the title was DC.

Most everything Dan Carr produces is a restrike, unless it's his own design.

BillJones

@OAKSTAR said:

@TomB said:

3) If the original die suffered some damage or accidental alteration between usages.

What's a example of accidental alteration?

Clashed dies.

OAKSTAR

@Mizzou said:

@OAKSTAR said:
The first thing I thought of when I saw the title was DC.

Most everything Dan Carr produces is a restrike, unless it's his own design.

DC calls it an over-strike, not a restrike.

BillJones

@IkesT said:
Changes in die rotation are also useful.

This Gobrecht Dollar is supposed to be one of the original 1,000 because of the die turn. The rotation is a coin turn (flip on the horizontal axis). When that is done, the eagle is flying "onward and upward as opposed to horizontally as it does on some restrikes.

This one is a restrike probably from the 1850s. If memory serves, this one was a medal turn which had the axis set to vertical. When the piece was turned, the eagle was flying horizontally. I messed with the pictures when I owned it to make it look like the original issue.

Here is how the eagle was really flying.

CaptHenway

@Mizzou said:

@OAKSTAR said:
The first thing I thought of when I saw the title was DC.

Most everything Dan Carr produces is a restrike, unless it's his own design.

As a rule Dan does not use original dies. Thus most of what he makes cannot be called "Restrikes."

Sometimes he makes copy dies of previously struck items including, but not limited to. U.S. coin designs. These are not "restrikes" either.

Floridafacelifter

@yosclimber said:

Similar are the 1804 dollar and eagle in the King of Siam proof set with the other coins dated 1834.

Sometimes these are called restrikes, but there might be a better name for them.

I always thought of the 1804 dollars as novodels- restrikes of a coin that never actually existed.

NumisOxide

Sometimes restrikes are struck on different metals.

sellitstore

@Namvet69 said:
So would the 1780 Theresa Taler be another example of an official restrike

I believe that this is both an official and unofficial restrike as it was struck in many different countries at different times, including Austria. I think that many of the restrikes were unauthorized.

Sapyx

The term for a "restrike" made from new dies, rather than old dies, is a "novodel". This Russian word is used thanks to the propensity for the Russian Empire's mint to strike coins to order, with any design and date that a member of the aristocracy might demand.

Dan Carr's confections are neither "restrikes" nor "novodels", because an official government mint isn't doing it. They are either "private fantasies" or "counterfeits", depending on which side of that particular argument you fall on.

I would also classify Maria Theresa thalers as "novodels", rather than "restrikes"; the dies are different to the original 1780 coins, with many subtle design changes (such as AVST in the legend rather than the original AUST), but they were all struck in an official government mint and/or on government orders - even though that mint was not the official mint of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Austrian 100 corona gold coins, on the other hand, I would classify as "restrikes", as they are re-using the exact same master die design as the original 1914 coins, and it is the Austrian government mint doing the restriking.

Another core difference between a "restrike" and a "novodel" is the intended market. Restrikes might be made for collectors, or they might (as in the case of both Austrian coins) simply be putting bullion in a familiar, easily marketable form. Novodels are always made just for collectors: they're NCNLT, non-circulating non-legal-tender.

burfle23

@CaptHenway said:
Struck over a coin of a later date.

I have one of those but it is a counterfeit...

I also own what many term a (private) "restrike 1804 large cent", and a "Fugio restrike"; both push the envelope as restrikes per the Op's posted question,

And one of my favorites:

jmlanzaf

@Mizzou said:

@OAKSTAR said:
The first thing I thought of when I saw the title was DC.

Most everything Dan Carr produces is a restrike, unless it's his own design.

Since Carr strikes his own design with his own dies they are overstrikes but restrikes, are they not?

Mizzou

@jmlanzaf said:
Since Carr strikes his own design with his own dies they are overstrikes but restrikes, are they not?

Dan, will you please join in on this conversation and clear this up?