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Spanish Escudo Advice?

Hi everyone, I'm newish to coin collecting with a few pieces of eight from wrecks like the El Cazador and Consolacion and some modern US Gold Eagles but I'd really like to add a Spanish 2 Escudo gold coin to my collection ideally minted in the New World and from the Carlos III and Carlos IV era. I'd appreciate any advice that could be imparted that could benefit my search. I'm assuming it would be best to stick with primarily reputable auction houses (like Heritage) and consider coins with NGC or similar review/grading? Also what is a fair value range for these coins in today's market?

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 23,838 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 1780 Popayan 2E you posted in the other thread would be perfect, assuming it has no problems that can’t be seen in the pics, and assuming the price is fair. But if that doesn’t play out, the coins are out there.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • @MrEureka said:
    The 1780 Popayan 2E you posted in the other thread would be perfect, assuming it has no problems that can’t be seen in the pics, and assuming the price is fair. But if that doesn’t play out, the coins are out there.

    Thank you for the reply. For milled coins of that time period, is it normal for the coin to be not perfectly round?

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 23,838 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @billybones said:

    @MrEureka said:
    The 1780 Popayan 2E you posted in the other thread would be perfect, assuming it has no problems that can’t be seen in the pics, and assuming the price is fair. But if that doesn’t play out, the coins are out there.

    Thank you for the reply. For milled coins of that time period, is it normal for the coin to be not perfectly round?

    Some are rounder than others. But in my opinion, it completely doesn’t matter.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • @MrEureka said:

    @billybones said:

    @MrEureka said:
    The 1780 Popayan 2E you posted in the other thread would be perfect, assuming it has no problems that can’t be seen in the pics, and assuming the price is fair. But if that doesn’t play out, the coins are out there.

    Thank you for the reply. For milled coins of that time period, is it normal for the coin to be not perfectly round?

    Some are rounder than others. But in my opinion, it completely doesn’t matter.

    The slightly off roundness doesn't bother me looks wise just want to make sure I have the genuine article.

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 23,838 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @billybones said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @billybones said:

    @MrEureka said:
    The 1780 Popayan 2E you posted in the other thread would be perfect, assuming it has no problems that can’t be seen in the pics, and assuming the price is fair. But if that doesn’t play out, the coins are out there.

    Thank you for the reply. For milled coins of that time period, is it normal for the coin to be not perfectly round?

    Some are rounder than others. But in my opinion, it completely doesn’t matter.

    The slightly off roundness doesn't bother me looks wise just want to make sure I have the genuine article.

    Not a problem.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • @MrEureka said:

    @billybones said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @billybones said:

    @MrEureka said:
    The 1780 Popayan 2E you posted in the other thread would be perfect, assuming it has no problems that can’t be seen in the pics, and assuming the price is fair. But if that doesn’t play out, the coins are out there.

    Thank you for the reply. For milled coins of that time period, is it normal for the coin to be not perfectly round?

    Some are rounder than others. But in my opinion, it completely doesn’t matter.

    The slightly off roundness doesn't bother me looks wise just want to make sure I have the genuine article.

    Not a problem.

    For the 1780 coin I shared, what is a fair price range that can be expected today?

  • realeswatcherrealeswatcher Posts: 339 ✭✭✭

    They paid up for the coppery toning apparently...
    https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=6513&lot=1195

    A more modest example:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/275992905530

  • PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,607 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Places to look that maybe you are not aware of would be:

    Daniel Frank Sedwick LLC

    Great Collections

    Stack's Bowers

    World Numismatics LLC

    Collecting interests: Mexico & Peru early milled 1 reales + 1796-1891 US dimes

    Sports: NHL & NFL

    Thank you Lord for another beautiful day!!!

  • PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,607 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If ever you are looking for later dates from Mexico there is a book on the subject:

    Gold coins of the early Mexican Republic by Richard A. Long published in 2004 covers 1873-1873

    I have a copy great book (not selling mine) here is an image I found on the internet of the front cover:

    Collecting interests: Mexico & Peru early milled 1 reales + 1796-1891 US dimes

    Sports: NHL & NFL

    Thank you Lord for another beautiful day!!!

  • @realeswatcher said:
    They paid up for the coppery toning apparently...
    https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=6513&lot=1195

    A more modest example:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/275992905530

    Thank you for the examples. Compared to the ebay one, what do you think grading and encasement by ngc would add to the overall price?

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That information is available on the NGC site.

  • @Boosibri said:
    That information is available on the NGC site.

    NGC advertises the value increase of a graded coin versus nongraded coin or just the cost of their grading services?

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I misread your question as to be the cost of grading when you said what it would add to the price and not the value.

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