Greysheet question

KISHU1

Can you buy 1 monthly greysheet or do you have go get a subscription for several months or yearly. I looked at theirs site and it doesn’t look like you can buy only 1
Thanks
Frank D

SurfinxHI

You can buy individual issues. Pretty sure it is $40.

lilolme

This link and go down to:

https://www.greysheet.com/publications/greysheet

Russell12

I bought a copy on eBay.

jmlanzaf

@Russell12 said:
I bought a copy on eBay.

Which violates the terms of use.

KISHU1

Thanks everyone
Frank D

PerryHall

@jmlanzaf said:

@Russell12 said:
I bought a copy on eBay.

Which violates the terms of use.

Did you report them?

jmlanzaf

@PerryHall said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Russell12 said:
I bought a copy on eBay.

Which violates the terms of use.

Did you report them?

Lol. No. Do you want me to tag @JohnF so he can reiterate?

It does make the product more expensive for those of us that actually pay. It also leads to inconvenience when publication suppliers move to digital only distribution that they can then more easily control. And in the extreme, it leads to the disappearance of no longer profitable publications.

If you find the publication useful, support the people that make it useful.

Cougar1978

You can buy issues online - like the Qtrly CPG and CAC Mkt report online. Greysheet is a whsl publication for dealers who (are digital) markup stuff based on CDN bid. I prefer the retail publications, consistent market retail based on bid helps me in pricing. My offers pct based on what think can sell for.

BStrauss3

@jmlanzaf said:

@Russell12 said:
I bought a copy on eBay.

Which violates the terms of use.

Maybe maybe not. They sold you a physical good and under the doctrine of first sale, they can't control what happens next. If they licensed the physical copy, yep. But I can't find that in the T&C.

Cougar1978

CDN sells CAC and CDN CPG magazines off eBay. How in the world is that some violation?

JohnF

@KISHU1 said:
Can you buy 1 monthly greysheet or do you have go get a subscription for several months or yearly. I looked at theirs site and it doesn’t look like you can buy only 1
Thanks
Frank D

Not only can you buy single issues on our web site, but we also offer a little-known subscription called Quarterly Greysheet. You get 4 issues in a year. This is popular with folks who don't want the expense of the full subscription. This subscription is not publicized on the web site. You have to email orders@greysheet.com to ask for it. Our team will gladly help you out.

As far as eBay sales from other sellers, we pay attention to it, but there's very little we can do practically to stop it. We'd prefer that people wanting to buy a Greysheet obtain it from us. We feel that setting up and account and subscription adds a lot of extra value, like the free app (which is awesome combined with our pricing data).

Thanks,
John

JohnF

@jmlanzaf said:

@PerryHall said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Russell12 said:
I bought a copy on eBay.

Which violates the terms of use.

Did you report them?

Lol. No. Do you want me to tag @JohnF so he can reiterate?

It does make the product more expensive for those of us that actually pay. It also leads to inconvenience when publication suppliers move to digital only distribution that they can then more easily control. And in the extreme, it leads to the disappearance of no longer profitable publications.

If you find the publication useful, support the people that make it useful.

Thank you for vocalizing this support!!!

jmlanzaf

@BStrauss3 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Russell12 said:
I bought a copy on eBay.

Which violates the terms of use.

Maybe maybe not. They sold you a physical good and under the doctrine of first sale, they can't control what happens next. If they licensed the physical copy, yep. But I can't find that in the T&C.

It's right on the editorial page of every issue.

jmlanzaf

@BStrauss3 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Russell12 said:
I bought a copy on eBay.

Which violates the terms of use.

Maybe maybe not. They sold you a physical good and under the doctrine of first sale, they can't control what happens next. If they licensed the physical copy, yep. But I can't find that in the T&C.

It's also on the online terms of use.

https://www.greysheet.com/terms-of-use

jmlanzaf

@Cougar1978 said:
CDN sells CAC and CDN CPG magazines off eBay. How in the world is that some violation?

CDN can sell them. Other people cannot.

BobSav

@JohnF said:

@KISHU1 said:
Can you buy 1 monthly greysheet or do you have go get a subscription for several months or yearly. I looked at theirs site and it doesn’t look like you can buy only 1
Thanks
Frank D

Not only can you buy single issues on our web site, but we also offer a little-known subscription called Quarterly Greysheet. You get 4 issues in a year. This is popular with folks who don't want the expense of the full subscription. This subscription is not publicized on the web site. You have to email orders@greysheet.com to ask for it. Our team will gladly help you out.

As far as eBay sales from other sellers, we pay attention to it, but there's very little we can do practically to stop it. We'd prefer that people wanting to buy a Greysheet obtain it from us. We feel that setting up and account and subscription adds a lot of extra value, like the free app (which is awesome combined with our pricing data).

Thanks,
John

So if I buy an account with a " Quarterly subscription" Id don't get access to the online app ?
Bob

jmlanzaf

@BobSav said:

@JohnF said:

@KISHU1 said:
Can you buy 1 monthly greysheet or do you have go get a subscription for several months or yearly. I looked at theirs site and it doesn’t look like you can buy only 1
Thanks
Frank D

Not only can you buy single issues on our web site, but we also offer a little-known subscription called Quarterly Greysheet. You get 4 issues in a year. This is popular with folks who don't want the expense of the full subscription. This subscription is not publicized on the web site. You have to email orders@greysheet.com to ask for it. Our team will gladly help you out.

As far as eBay sales from other sellers, we pay attention to it, but there's very little we can do practically to stop it. We'd prefer that people wanting to buy a Greysheet obtain it from us. We feel that setting up and account and subscription adds a lot of extra value, like the free app (which is awesome combined with our pricing data).

Thanks,
John

So if I buy an account with a " Quarterly subscription" Id don't get access to the online app ?
Bob

I think he was only referring to the ebay buyers who had no subscription.

BStrauss3

@jmlanzaf said:

Maybe maybe not. They sold you a physical good and under the doctrine of first sale, they can't control what happens next. If they licensed the physical copy, yep. But I can't find that in the T&C.

It's also on the online terms of use.

https://www.greysheet.com/terms-of-use

A physical good is not the Web Site that is covered by the "Web Site Terms of Use". I'm not a lawyer but I suspect it would be fun to litigate another "click-wrap" license case - a lot has changed since them.

BobSav

@jmlanzaf said:

@BobSav said:

@JohnF said:

@KISHU1 said:
Can you buy 1 monthly greysheet or do you have go get a subscription for several months or yearly. I looked at theirs site and it doesn’t look like you can buy only 1
Thanks
Frank D

Not only can you buy single issues on our web site, but we also offer a little-known subscription called Quarterly Greysheet. You get 4 issues in a year. This is popular with folks who don't want the expense of the full subscription. This subscription is not publicized on the web site. You have to email orders@greysheet.com to ask for it. Our team will gladly help you out.

As far as eBay sales from other sellers, we pay attention to it, but there's very little we can do practically to stop it. We'd prefer that people wanting to buy a Greysheet obtain it from us. We feel that setting up and account and subscription adds a lot of extra value, like the free app (which is awesome combined with our pricing data).

Thanks,
John

So if I buy an account with a " Quarterly subscription" Id don't get access to the online app ?
Bob

I think he was only referring to the ebay buyers who had no subscription.

Ok, went back and read it again my mistake
Bob

jmlanzaf

@BStrauss3 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

Maybe maybe not. They sold you a physical good and under the doctrine of first sale, they can't control what happens next. If they licensed the physical copy, yep. But I can't find that in the T&C.

It's also on the online terms of use.

https://www.greysheet.com/terms-of-use

A physical good is not the Web Site that is covered by the "Web Site Terms of Use". I'm not a lawyer but I suspect it would be fun to litigate another "click-wrap" license case - a lot has changed since them.

And what of the disclaimer that is printed right inside the paper copy? See my photo above. It is quite clearly against their terms of use.

PerryHall

@jmlanzaf said:

@BStrauss3 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

Maybe maybe not. They sold you a physical good and under the doctrine of first sale, they can't control what happens next. If they licensed the physical copy, yep. But I can't find that in the T&C.

It's also on the online terms of use.

https://www.greysheet.com/terms-of-use

A physical good is not the Web Site that is covered by the "Web Site Terms of Use". I'm not a lawyer but I suspect it would be fun to litigate another "click-wrap" license case - a lot has changed since them.

And what of the disclaimer that is printed right inside the paper copy? See my photo above. It is quite clearly against their terms of use.

Has anyone ever been prosecuted or sued for violating these terms of use?

jmlanzaf

@PerryHall said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@BStrauss3 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

Maybe maybe not. They sold you a physical good and under the doctrine of first sale, they can't control what happens next. If they licensed the physical copy, yep. But I can't find that in the T&C.

It's also on the online terms of use.

https://www.greysheet.com/terms-of-use

A physical good is not the Web Site that is covered by the "Web Site Terms of Use". I'm not a lawyer but I suspect it would be fun to litigate another "click-wrap" license case - a lot has changed since them.

And what of the disclaimer that is printed right inside the paper copy? See my photo above. It is quite clearly against their terms of use.

Has anyone ever been prosecuted or sued for violating these terms of use?

Unlikely.

Has anyone ever been prosecuted for selling Chinese counterfeits on ebay?

Is that really the standard of behavior?

BStrauss3

@jmlanzaf said:
And what of the disclaimer that is printed right inside the paper copy? See my photo above. It is quite clearly against their terms of use.

That one we covered in business school law 101... you can't unilaterally override the doctrine of first sale.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1854-copyright-infringement-first-sale-doctrine

https://copyrightalliance.org/education/copyright-law-explained/limitations-on-a-copyright-owners-rights/first-sale-exceptions-copyright/

It would take a better lawyer than me to figure out whether this is a click-wrap license vs. a sale. That part of the law has definitely advanced since b-school. When I was writing install scripts for software, we were told to put a check box (affirmative action accepting the terms) not just a statement.

JohnF

@PerryHall said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@BStrauss3 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

Maybe maybe not. They sold you a physical good and under the doctrine of first sale, they can't control what happens next. If they licensed the physical copy, yep. But I can't find that in the T&C.

It's also on the online terms of use.

https://www.greysheet.com/terms-of-use

A physical good is not the Web Site that is covered by the "Web Site Terms of Use". I'm not a lawyer but I suspect it would be fun to litigate another "click-wrap" license case - a lot has changed since them.

And what of the disclaimer that is printed right inside the paper copy? See my photo above. It is quite clearly against their terms of use.

Has anyone ever been prosecuted or sued for violating these terms of use?

This is an interesting thread. We definitely don't have the time or motivation to initiate lawsuits against people who sell old copies of Greysheet, etc on eBay but we do reserve the right to cancel subscriptions for subscribers who violate our terms. It's really an honor system and we post the t&c to explicitly state how we feel.

As @jmlanzaf has graciously pointed out, making a living selling publications and data plans is how we survive, so we do our best in this complicated environment to encourage readers to support us directly. We do our best to earn this loyalty with the quality of our data, the size and scope of the data we offer, and more.

In other words, we try to earn your business every day. Some people will always skirt the system, share passwords, etc. If that happens on a large scale we may not be able to do the work we do. The good news is that I have found the vast majority of our subscribers to be super loyal and supportive of our efforts and we are grateful for that!!

Best,
John

BStrauss3

Ghu help us, @JohnF when you retire. We'll give you some petty cash, a motor home, and a pre-printed pad of small claims court complaint forms. You can travel around the country sightseeing and generally funding your retirement by suing people.

You can even keep a daybook like Thomas Jefferson did.

Winston-Salem, NC
Motor home campsite, six nights, $75
Lawsuit filing fees (3x) $30
Lawsuit proceeds (two settled, one dismissed) ($60)