1964 Peace dollar - a friend of a friend told me from another friend that HIS friend had this …
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Guy walked into a bar back in ‘64 and used this coin to buy a Schmidt’s 16 oz beer… (!!) - ah the days of Schmidt’s beer… mmmm, anyway - I digress… bartender gave the coin to his daughter who later used it to pay off a debt from a loan shark, the exact same loan shark whom, subsequently lost the coin to me from a four 7s lucky hand in a 5 card stud while gambling in a speak easy down in Mexicali … those were good times …! I still remember those amazing tortillas—
Anyhoo - Do you believe the story? Why or what not?
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No, not believable, due to the condition of the coin alone.
Of course it's all a poorly made up fantasy paired with what appears to be a recent Dan Carr issue.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Geeze - what a party pooper
You guys are missing the point - don’t let these pesky “facts” get in the way of a fun and interesting story… where were you in 64 while this coin was being used for nefarious transactions….? (Hint - use your imagination and be creative ….. good grief …. It’s okay if you make something up)
Do you take everything this serious?
I’m challenging you to make something up and make it believable —
I once heard a story from a fairly reliable source that he once had heard from another dealer that he had seen a 1964 Peace dollar. What makes the story interesting is that the person that said he saw it, when asked about it a few years later, said "I never said that"
My feelings are that a few maybe out there, but as they are stolen property, no one will ever actually admit to owning one.
I once dated a girl in college who invited me to the family estate (I was a poor boy way out of his place). But I met her parents and since I was an immigrant from Europe, they liked me. After a few dates, I was taken to different rooms, once while waiting for their daughter the father took me to his "parlor" while waiting I saw painting that I knew were in museums. I never asked and didn't want to know. Hence that is why I believe there are 1964 Peace dollars out there.
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It was a dark rainy morning-the kind you either want to keep sleeping or decide to go check out the collection. I remembered some odd machine sitting in the basement and decided to take a look at it before going through the coins. Well I don't know what happened but it was all a daze and next thing I know this beauty appears. I haven't told anyone besides you all in this thread.
@hfjacinto -
Perfect story / that’s exactly what I’m looking for
@U1chicago
Now we are getting somewhere! Perfect!!
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.
This 1964 Peace Dollar is all he had in his pockets - it makes me want to cry.
No... Why? For starters... if the bar was in Denver, I am not certain that Schmidt's was distributed that far west in 1964. I believe Schmidt's is a Philadelphia beer. Ii would have been more plausible if you had selected Coors or Bud.
However in all fairness... I do not rule out that a 1964D Peace Dollar survived and still exists
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It has gotta be true - he read it on Facebook.
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Back in 64 couldn't you have gotten 10 drafts for a dollar?
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Why don't you just build the story around the one I had certified by NGC in a walkthrough at the ANA a few years ago?
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Anytime the story starts out "A guy walks into a bar" . . . . .
You wouldn't have made it out of Mexico with a hand like four 7's without being called a cheat then had time to collect your winnings.
where were you in 64 while this coin was being used for nefarious transactions….? (Hint - use your imagination and be creative ….. good grief …. It’s okay if you make something up)
If it was after the 25th of August, I took a deep breath and have been looking to acquire a 1964 Peace dollar since.
( hint would make a nice birthday present)
The story is always "a friend of a friend of a friend knew someone who had one", or "this dealer showed me one". SOS.
Yah, it happened. I was visiting the Denver mint back in "64., pretty cool place. I gave the tour guide the slip and ended up in some final production room. I don't know where the guards were, but there it was, the aforementioned 1964 Peace Dollar, just sitting on the floor, shining like a beacon. Don't know how it ended up in my pocket, I was thinking "finders keepers" when I slipped out the back door. That's when I made my mistake, showed it to my room mate when I got home, damn drunkard...he musta stole it from me cuz the next day it was gone and so was he...guess he ended up in some bar somewhere buying Schmidt's beer. And now you know how the whole story started. Years later, I found this note tacked to my door..
..I'm still looking for my coin.
Thread title reminds me of REO, Take It On The Run
Heard it from a friend who
Heard it from a friend who
Heard it from another you been messin' around
Not back to 1964 but 1980
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I'd have to try the tortillas to judge for myself.
With big brother watching ( big sister now, after a medical procedure) , I'm afraid of exposure. Not big sister. She loves exposing them.
My comment:
Someone, somewhere has one, but no one will ever see it.
Pete
LOL, first thing I thought as well.
Holy crap - is this real???
Winner winner chicken dinner - good grief…!!!
@TomB
How much do you want for the only NGC 64 peace dollar in existence? I can offer my house, comes with wife (she not too bad), the kids (they are terrible but all over 18 so you clear) and the dogs (spoiled as Hell but otherwise ok).
What you say? Trade lives for the fake coin?
I’ll even throw in my truck and a few shotguns
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That is my picture that I "photo-shopped" and posted on this forum (for April Fool's Day), several years before I ever struck any.
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The phrasing "friend of a friend of a friend" reminds me of one of my favorite movie lines,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeSo-sJdIjw
from the Starsky and Hutch movie,
delivered by Snoop Dogg.
"I like your Lincoln."
"It's the '76 - it won't be out 'til next year.
But I know some people,
who know some people...
that robbed some people."
Thank you for letting me know who made it! In general, I attach a label onto images such as this so that credit can be given to the person who made it, but in this case I had no record of that at all.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
No problem. I basically gave it away with no intention of getting a copyright or anything.
Regarding a story about the 1964 D Peace dollar, here is mine about my class field trip to the Denver Mint (I was born and raised in Denver).
When I was seven years old (1963) my dad came home one day with a present for me. A Whitman dime album for Roosevelt dimes. I took the album, asked my parents if I could look through their pocket change and started filling holes in the album. I completed the album from pocket change and still have it today.
My dad's gift turned me into a collector.
In May, 1965 my school class (in the spring of my 2nd grade year) took a field trip to the Denver Mint. I was very excited about the trip. Our class arrived and was given a tour. I was amazed at the place. I gazed eagerly, with dreams of gold and silver coins in my heart, at a display of a large, old safe behind plexiglass. The safe was open and inside the safe was multiple gold coins of various denominations, gold bars and gold nuggets [I assume from Cripple Creek and other Colorado gold mines]. Silver coins were also on display. We toured the mint facilities and saw the coin presses in operation. We saw metal strips from which planchets were struck. We saw bins of freshly minted coins. We talked to tour guides and were told of the history of and the operation of the mint.
Towards the end of the field trip, as I was straggling behind my classmates and teacher and tour guide looking at things, a mint worker came up to me and talked to me. He asked me questions. I told him I collected coins. He gave me a large silver coin, bright and shiny. It was larger than a half dollar (Franklin and/or Kennedy, of which I had a few), more the size of a Morgan dollar (of which my parents had a couple). He told me the coin was a newly minted, uncirculated Peace dollar; was a gift; and that I should keep it since it may be valuable some day.
I kept it for a while. However, I was really into looking for Buffalo nickels. I ended up taking some silver dollars [including the Peace Dollar the mint worker gave me] and half dollars with me on my blue stingray bike (with a deep blue, glittery banana seat) to the local Dairy Queen on South Broadway and around Iliff Avenue (popping wheelies on the way). I exchanged the silver coins for all the nickels they had (plus I bought a Dilly Bar, yummy). The nickels included many buffalo nickels. I thought I made a great trade because I really wanted to get Buffalo nickels. The teenaged kid working at the Dairy Queen thought I was weird wanting to trade coins but he said ok. I have no idea if he kept the coins I had traded for the nickels or just put them in the till for use in commerce or deposit into the bank at which the Dairy Queen banked.
I later on lost interest in the Buffalo nickels and regretted the trade I had made. I do not remember the date of the Peace dollar the Mint worker gave me (was it 1964 or not), nor do I remember the dates of the other coins I traded at the Dairy Queen for nickels. Wish I had them today. For if I did, I just might still have a 1964D Peace Dollar.
That is my story.
The question one has to ask is whether my story is true.
Do you think it is true?
I assure you that after more than 55 years, I still remember parts of the story clearly, just like it happened yesterday. However as time passes, memories fade or become distorted, perhaps morphing into something different than reality and instead into one's wishes and dreams. Thus for parts of the story, I will swear under oath the truth of same because I know it happened (i.e. my class filed trip to the mint; and exchanging silver coins for Buffalo nickels at the Dairy Queen). For other parts, well I can not swear under oath because I honestly do not remember the fine details.
For a coin collector who has an interest in 1964D Peace Dollars, it matters not whether my story is completly true. For it is a good story and it allows one to imagine what it was like for me as a YN; more importantly it allows one to imagine what it would have been like for them if they were in my shoes.
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The owner of that Dairy Queen is a coin dealer (Harry Seese Rare Coins). I will ask him about it, at the Denver Coin Expo next week
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There are several people who will testify that they actually witnessed, in person, a "1964" Peace Dollar leave the Denver Mint.
This is a true story:
in 2011 my local coin club arranged a VIP "floor tour" of the Denver Mint for the membership. This is the tour where you get to see stuff up close, hold dies in your hand, etc. You have to apply ahead of time and go through a background check long before you can get in. In other words, this is not the ordinary public tour. You have to go through strict security screening on the way in and out.
On the day of the tour, I had forgotten that I was carrying a pocket piece "1964-D" over-struck Peace Dollar (Die Pair 2) in a compartment in my wallet. On the way in, visitors are told to leave coins and such behind, and they are screened for large metallic objects (weapons). My coin didn't register on the detectors going in. Once inside, I remembered. Oops, what should I do now !? I knew that on the way out, the security screening is different and will detect any coins attempting to leave. So my options were: 1) ditch the coin somewhere inside the mint; 2) walk out with it and have some explaining to do ! I chose the latter. Shoes, wallets, etc are all x-rayed on the way out (like at the airport). Anything that looks like a coin is inspected. The security guard says "let me see what's in your wallet". I pull out the pocket piece. He looks at it. "Ah, 1964, ok". He gives it back and I leave. Whew !
Some day that guard is going to hear, in passing, the story of the original 1964-D Peace Dollars and remember the day that he let one leave.
The voice behind the door said—Mr. Fraz we have a search warrant.
I read the documents and let them search.
The search turned up paraphernalia, but no weed. But one of the agents found my 1964 peace dollar in my sock drawer.
—Mr. Fraz, I have to place you under arrest. You have the right to remain ….
So it technically is one of yours then, D. The very first, too! 😈😎
My 1964-D Peace Dollar story will top them all. My GrandFather was a coin collector. He passed the trait along to me and made me the collector that I am today.
When I was growing up GrandFather always had one special dollar that he treasured more than all his other coins combined. He would occasionally show it to me and at the time it was just a silver dollar with a lady on it to me. I was just a boy at this time but I remembered the date,,,,,,, 1964-D. I remembered that because Grandpa hoarded rolls of the new half dollars with President Kennedy on them.
As Grandpa got older and he knew his time left on this earth was short he made me and Grandma promise him that we would bury this coin with him. When the time came and Grandpa passed Grandma got the coin out and had me place it in Grandpa's suit coat pocket just before they sealed the casket. This was 1980 and Al Gore had not yet invented the internet so I did not realize the significant of the date of the Peace Dollar I had placed with Grandpa.
Years later when Al finally invented the internet I was doing some research and learned the rarity of a 1964-D Peace Dollar. Over the years I have thought about digging Grandpa up and reclaiming the coin but I have decided to wait until my Mother is not there to see me do it as she would have a fit,,,,,,, I bet the coin has some monster toning by now.
Except the mortuary driver in his haste left the rear door open and the casket slid out, rolled over no less than 3 times and had to be replaced.
Upon moving Grandpa to the new casket the mortuary driver found the 64 dollar and wondered how it came to be and assumed it was a sign keeping it as his tip.
And the driver then placed it in a Salvation Army kettle at Christmas time where it was found by my sisters husbands brothers roommate who is a collector. He knew it was illegal to own. Not wanting to get caught with it, he attempted to throw it across the Potomac River. As his arm isn't what it used to be, it now resides at the bottom of the Potomac.
So NGC is in the business of passing these off as genuine Mint-issue? What were they thinking when they neglected to reference this isn't a genuine U.S. coin?
I was thinking the same thing. As a youngster in southeast Minnesota and western Wisconsin I remember it was quite prominent in the area, as I recall. I doubt that anyone from Colorado cared to go east to make a Schmidt run.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Schmidt_Brewing_Company
@BAJJERFAN
Old Style Country.
I had friends in California back in the day that did make a point to bring Old Style back when visiting Wisconsin. Pabst was available in CA- so that was not an issue. Schmidt's may have made to CA, but probably later as in well after 1964.
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I’m just waiting for another version from the moonlight mint to be made. I’d also love a DCAM proof version as if it was part of the 64 proof set. We will see if he makes any more.
Now that's the story how those could be made without the requisite "copy" imprinted?
My guess is that since there supposedly never was a 1964 then they are not copies of a real coin?
That's what I get for checking in here late. Thank you. I was short of breath there for a spell.
I like how the press release says the coins were subject to strict accounting controls, etc. but THEN says if there are any more out there they are contraband. So, which is it? DId you have strict accounting, or did you have crappy accounting and let one slip through??
These days it would be Spotted Cow!