First CACG coin I have seen for auction

erwindoc

Not my coin, but definitely a pretty one! Ill be watching to see how it does. I thought Id share but its going to be over my budget. Over GC if you wanted to bid.

Steven59

Well the picture is nice!

TomB

Looks nice.

Walkerfan

Not a Barber guy OR a dime guy but it looks like a nice coin. I will be watching with interest from a price analysis perspective.

lilolme

DLRC auctions has been the place for the cacg (not surprising).
Currently DLRC has 25 cacg lots at auction. Their past auction (archive) search turned up 96 cacg items.
HA recently auctioned some and I did a quick search review on some of them.

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Cougar1978

There have been a number of CACG auctions on eBay. That Barber is a nice coin. It should do well on GC.

DCW

Do you guys think these certs would be better served with the grade in which it was certified?
Seriously, I've never understood why that integral piece of information is missing.

MFeld

@DCW said:
Do you guys think these certs would be better served with the grade in which it was certified?
Seriously, I've never understood why that integral piece of information is missing.

This guy does.

2windy2fish

I find the 9 digit serial number annoying!
Why does it need to be that long?

291fifth

@2windy2fish said:
I find the 9 digit serial number annoying!
Why does it need to be that long?

They probably need enough numbers to cover the 1881-S Morgan Dollars that will be submitted.

asheland

I like !

BLUEJAYWAY

I would call it pleasant toning.

DCW

@MFeld said:

@DCW said:
Do you guys think these certs would be better served with the grade in which it was certified?
Seriously, I've never understood why that integral piece of information is missing.

This guy does.

Can you elaborate?

MFeld

@DCW said:

@MFeld said:

@DCW said:
Do you guys think these certs would be better served with the grade in which it was certified?
Seriously, I've never understood why that integral piece of information is missing.

This guy does.

Can you elaborate?

Yes, “This guy does”, as in I think/this guy thinks the certs would be better served with the grades included.

DisneyFan

@MFeld said:

@DCW said:

@MFeld said:

@DCW said:
Do you guys think these certs would be better served with the grade in which it was certified?
Seriously, I've never understood why that integral piece of information is missing.

This guy does.

Can you elaborate?

Yes, “This guy does”, as in I think/this guy thinks the certs would be better served with the grades included.

Thanks, for the clarification, Mark. I initially took it that you believed grades should not be included! : )

DisneyFan

GC's picture is quite a contrast to CACG's! Now will the coin CMQ?

winesteven

@DCW said:
Do you guys think these certs would be better served with the grade in which it was certified?
Seriously, I've never understood why that integral piece of information is missing.

The CACG Image Secure photo layout is EXACTLY the same as PCGS’s TrueViews as neither shows the grade! I agree with the above comments that it would be real nice to include the grade.

Steve

lilolme

A pair of them (CACG) at Legend weekly auction this Sunday.
MS70 2023 Morgan and Peace auctioned together. Oh and First Delivery .

Cougar1978

The barber 10c - The starting bid is considerably over CPG MV for Cac. It wb interesting see if somebody bids on that. I think its likely some rich collectors will.

I think at sometime out the gate the bid war bubble is going to burst. This is where the term end user comes in. Assuming you won it how would you market it from your table at a show to the public and at same time move it with positive margin?

It is not the only CACG coin in that auc - some Classic Commems in $300 range or more with low starting bids. Wb tracking those too.

FlyingAl

For CACG, adding the grade may make since since they shoot the coin after the coin is in the slab.

Remember, a lot of editing for these images is completely automated, or should be. With PCGS shooting before the grade is finalized, the added step of going back to add it really screws with that automated process. Not so much for CACG.

jt88

Nice coin and nice photo

jt88

lilolme

A couple thoughts on the grade on the true view photo.

I do Not know the pcgs program for this. I do know that many true views will have the standard format in large or max resolution. Also a white (no letters/info), clear and single obverse and reverse white. The true views are also seen on the cert verification page and clicking the photo brings up others (noted).

I know when I have not received a true view with a submission, that an email to pcgs photo weeks or months later, they have attached the true view and I get the above. Additionally I have seen in coinfacts, certs with incorrect photos attached. Again an email to pcgs photo and the reply something like - Thanks the wrong photo was attached and corrected, or, thanks that cert has no true view and has been removed.

The point is pcgs can attach, detach, re-attach these true views long after and they appear on the above noted photo formats. Therefore I would think if a photo format was created with the pcgs grade included (call it large_grade or max_grade) that it would work similarly. That data (grade) should be available as it is included in the cert lookup where the true view is also located.

Should note that a grade might not be as simple or short as MS65. Could be MS65+ DMPL or MS65+ PL FB... So might need a little more space.

However, I see a problem with the grade on the true view. It comes with reconsiderations, mechanical errors and anything in which the grade changes and the cert does not. So a true view with a grade MS64 is downloaded. Later the coin is reconsidered and becomes a MS64+, but the previous true views have been potentially downloaded, used and out there somewhere.

Having no grade on the true view, then the person looks up the grade (current grade) no matter the date of the true view. Of course there could be (and sometimes are) slab shots (auction and other) showing the old grade in the previous holder. However, multiple grades on a true views of the same cert number could add to or be more confusing and might be something to avoid.
Hey, how about a date stamp with the grade.

Cougar1978

I see where CPG is 1620 on it but minimum bid there 2400? CF has it at $1700.

Well go bid on it / you would have a really nice tough date and a top pop CACG coin. I am betting somebody does - what say ye?

skier07

@FlyingAl said:
For CACG, adding the grade may make since since they shoot the coin after the coin is in the slab.

Remember, a lot of editing for these images is completely automated, or should be. With PCGS shooting before the grade is finalized, the added step of going back to add it really screws with that automated process. Not so much for CACG.

Thanks for the explanation. I always wondered why there were not grades with TV’s.

Manifest_Destiny

Nice looking coin.

erwindoc

@Cougar1978 said:
I see where CPG is 1620 on it but starting bid there 2400? CF has it at $1700.

Well go bid on it / you would have a really nice tough date and a top pop CACG coin. I am betting somebody does - what say ye?

Im saying no opening bids

lilolme

@skier07 said:
Thanks for the explanation. I always wondered why there were not grades with TV’s.

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I would not think this would be the reason. As I previously stated I don't know pcgs programs but even the low level stuff I worked with could handle this.

So you have a large data set and in this case it is the true views. The various photos taken for one cert are grouped together. This group is then assigned to a cert number. This can be done at any point including days, weeks or years later and changed as needed. The photos chosen for inclusion in the true views are selected (obv, rev) from the group. When you do a cert verification, then you can see if photos are attached or not. Once photos are attached to a cert number the true view picture frames are loaded with the photos (should be automatic or perhaps as requested). Currently I find the normal true view in low resolution and another high resolution, a white frame, a clear frame and a single obverse and single reverse frame. These can be found for most/many on the true view images. All that would need to be done is to add another true view picture frame (programmer) that has an added input block for the grade which is linked with the cert number and therefore known (auto).

As stated above pcgs has attached true views for me months later when they did not show up. They have changed errors in true views that got attached to the wrong cert number. Once after a reconsideration/regrade and new true views that I did not like as they did not represent the coin as well, I emailed and they changed the true view back to the original ones before reconsideration/regrade.