@derryb said:
Short of an armed robbery, I would say it’s the dealers' fault
Blame the victim?
If he left that kind of value unattended, blaming him seems quite reasonable to me.
If a victim mistakingly makes committing a felony by another person a bit easier than otherwise doesn't transfer the blame- even partially- on that victim.
Other examples:
Accidentally leaving your garage door unlocked.
Leaving a laptop on your workstation desk.
Not using a strong enough lock on your electric bike.
Leaving valuable items stacked up close to the inside entrance of the department store.
The moment we start to turn to the victim and play the "if only you had. . ." we begin to lose the identity of the real culprit here- the wrongdoer.
@derryb said:
Short of an armed robbery, I would say it’s the dealers' fault
Blame the victim?
If he left that kind of value unattended, blaming him seems quite reasonable to me.
If a victim mistakingly makes committing a felony by another person a bit easier than otherwise doesn't transfer the blame- even partially- on that victim.
Other examples:
Accidentally leaving your garage door unlocked.
Leaving a laptop on your workstation desk.
Not using a strong enough lock on your electric bike.
Leaving valuable items stacked up close to the inside entrance of the department store.
The moment we start to turn to the victim and play the "if only you had. . ." we begin to lose the identity of the real culprit here- the wrongdoer.
I understand who the real culprits/wrong-doers are and certainly blame them. However, I believe that dealers should still be vigilant with respect to their safety and their valuables. If they're not, they make it easier for the bad guys to succeed.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@derryb said:
Short of an armed robbery, I would say it’s the dealers' fault
Blame the victim?
If he left that kind of value unattended, blaming him seems quite reasonable to me.
If a victim mistakingly makes committing a felony by another person a bit easier than otherwise doesn't transfer the blame- even partially- on that victim.
Other examples:
Accidentally leaving your garage door unlocked.
Leaving a laptop on your workstation desk.
Not using a strong enough lock on your electric bike.
Leaving valuable items stacked up close to the inside entrance of the department store.
The moment we start to turn to the victim and play the "if only you had. . ." we begin to lose the identity of the real culprit here- the wrongdoer.
I understand who the real culprits/wrong-doers are and certainly blame them. However, I believe that dealers should still be vigilant with respect to their safety and their valuables. If they're not, they make it easier for the bad guys to succeed.
Yes, It’s ill-advised to leave unattended or turn your back on a quarter million dollar container.
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
With today's society, I do believe that we must all be vigilant. But our vigilance is mainly narrowed down to keeping an honest person honest. I don't think it's right to blame a victims actions for the actions of criminals!
@bsshog40 said:
With today's society, I do believe that we must all be vigilant. But our vigilance is mainly narrowed down to keeping an honest person honest. I don't think it's right to blame a victims actions for the actions of criminals!
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
@derryb said:
Short of an armed robbery, I would say it’s the dealers' fault
Blame the victim?
If he left that kind of value unattended, blaming him seems quite reasonable to me.
I understand who the real culprits/wrong-doers are and certainly blame them. However, I believe that dealers should still be vigilant concerning their safety and their valuables. If they're not, they make it easier for the bad guys to succeed.
I absolutely agree. We ALL can be more vigilant in protecting ourselves and our property.
My strong disagreement wasn't this sentiment yet rather your statement:
"If he left that kind of value unattended, blaming him seems quite reasonable to me."
@derryb said:
Short of an armed robbery, I would say it’s the dealers' fault
Blame the victim?
If he left that kind of value unattended, blaming him seems quite reasonable to me.
I understand who the real culprits/wrong-doers are and certainly blame them. However, I believe that dealers should still be vigilant concerning their safety and their valuables. If they're not, they make it easier for the bad guys to succeed.
I absolutely agree. We ALL can be more vigilant in protecting ourselves and our property.
My strong disagreement wasn't this sentiment yet rather your statement:
"If he left that kind of value unattended, blaming him seems quite reasonable to me."
Understood about your disagreement and I subsequently edited my post. As on its own, it gave the impression that I might blame a less-than-vigilant dealer, rather than the bad guy. Thank you.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Too bad this happened.
What can be done to prevent it or to at least have a shot at recovering the merch?
Would an Apple Air Tag or Tile hidden in the tote have given some sort of leads on where it went? Or some other technology? I know when I lose my keys or phone, it is simple enough to find.
Any other technology that might work? I'd put it in the bag I bring to shows.
“In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson
@Cameonut said:
Too bad this happened.
What can be done to prevent it or to at least have a shot at recovering the merch?
Would an Apple Air Tag or Tile hidden in the tote have given some sort of leads on where it went? Or some other technology? I know when I lose my keys or phone, it is simple enough to find.
Any other technology that might work? I'd put it in the bag I bring to shows.
I think more thought and work should be done on the prevention end of things, as opposed to the recovery end.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@Cameonut said:
Too bad this happened.
What can be done to prevent it or to at least have a shot at recovering the merch?
Would an Apple Air Tag or Tile hidden in the tote have given some sort of leads on where it went? Or some other technology? I know when I lose my keys or phone, it is simple enough to find.
Any other technology that might work? I'd put it in the bag I bring to shows.
I think more thought and work should be done on the prevention end of things, as opposed to the recovery end.
@braddick said:
Accidentally leaving your garage door unlocked.
For the record, entering an open/unlocked garage attached to the house - at least here in Texas - is a much more severe crime, "Burglary of a habitation" according to the local PD who investigated when it happened to us.
Yes, we should have been more careful, but it's 100% on the burglar...
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
@braddick said:
Accidentally leaving your garage door unlocked.
For the record, entering an open/unlocked garage attached to the house - at least here in Texas - is a much more severe crime, "Burglary of a habitation" according to the local PD who investigated when it happened to us.
Yes, we should have been more careful, but it's 100% on the burglar...
If you want to be exact, entering a building that is unlocked (this includes a garage) requires a crime be committed- such as stealing- with that intent as you enter- for it to be a felony.
Simply entering and then exiting without commiting a crime is at worse trespassing (even in Texas).
Example:
Enter a department store without the intent to commit a crime and then once you've entered you do commit that crime (such as shoplifting) is not a burglary. It is a theft but not a burglary.
Entering that same department store with the intent to steal (or other crime) is a burglary.
It is sometimes difficult to prove. The statement of the suspect, "yes- I knew before entering I was going to steal that iPod" and physical evidence- like the lack of funds as they enter- help build the case of burglary.
Sec. 30.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(1) "Habitation" means a structure or vehicle that is adapted for the overnight accommodation of persons, and includes:
(A) each separately secured or occupied portion of the structure or vehicle; and
(B) each structure appurtenant to or connected with the structure or vehicle.
(2) "Building" means any enclosed structure intended for use or occupation as a habitation or for some purpose of trade, manufacture, ornament, or use.
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
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I don't understand how this happened, or how they got away with all that stuff.
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Two people involved at least.
One is a thief and one is trying to conduct business.
Blaming a dealer seems out of line.
If a victim mistakingly makes committing a felony by another person a bit easier than otherwise doesn't transfer the blame- even partially- on that victim.
Other examples:
Accidentally leaving your garage door unlocked.
Leaving a laptop on your workstation desk.
Not using a strong enough lock on your electric bike.
Leaving valuable items stacked up close to the inside entrance of the department store.
The moment we start to turn to the victim and play the "if only you had. . ." we begin to lose the identity of the real culprit here- the wrongdoer.
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I understand who the real culprits/wrong-doers are and certainly blame them. However, I believe that dealers should still be vigilant with respect to their safety and their valuables. If they're not, they make it easier for the bad guys to succeed.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Yes, It’s ill-advised to leave unattended or turn your back on a quarter million dollar container.
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
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With today's society, I do believe that we must all be vigilant. But our vigilance is mainly narrowed down to keeping an honest person honest. I don't think it's right to blame a victims actions for the actions of criminals!
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I thought it was that one, I've been there a handful of times. Sad to hear, the regulars there all seem like decent people.
How does a dealer not notice a woman at his table leaving with a tub that size. A good reason to have two people at a table
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Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
I absolutely agree. We ALL can be more vigilant in protecting ourselves and our property.
My strong disagreement wasn't this sentiment yet rather your statement:
"If he left that kind of value unattended, blaming him seems quite reasonable to me."
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Understood about your disagreement and I subsequently edited my post. As on its own, it gave the impression that I might blame a less-than-vigilant dealer, rather than the bad guy. Thank you.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Too bad this happened.
What can be done to prevent it or to at least have a shot at recovering the merch?
Would an Apple Air Tag or Tile hidden in the tote have given some sort of leads on where it went? Or some other technology? I know when I lose my keys or phone, it is simple enough to find.
Any other technology that might work? I'd put it in the bag I bring to shows.
“In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson
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I think more thought and work should be done on the prevention end of things, as opposed to the recovery end.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Or both!
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https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8A11CC8CC6093D80
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As with thieves, counterfeiter's or crooks in general, they will always find a way. Due diligence is all you have.
I would rather join with an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by sheep.
For the record, entering an open/unlocked garage attached to the house - at least here in Texas - is a much more severe crime, "Burglary of a habitation" according to the local PD who investigated when it happened to us.
Yes, we should have been more careful, but it's 100% on the burglar...
ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
If you want to be exact, entering a building that is unlocked (this includes a garage) requires a crime be committed- such as stealing- with that intent as you enter- for it to be a felony.
Simply entering and then exiting without commiting a crime is at worse trespassing (even in Texas).
Example:
Enter a department store without the intent to commit a crime and then once you've entered you do commit that crime (such as shoplifting) is not a burglary. It is a theft but not a burglary.
Entering that same department store with the intent to steal (or other crime) is a burglary.
It is sometimes difficult to prove. The statement of the suspect, "yes- I knew before entering I was going to steal that iPod" and physical evidence- like the lack of funds as they enter- help build the case of burglary.
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The cops were already here because we had reported a theft, so I'll accept that.
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.30.htm
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