@Steven59 said:
Has anybody ever broken down the defensive structure of when Brady was there compared to when he wasn't? Maybe they just had a better defense helping them win alot of those games. Can't win consistently with just an offense - Look at Colorado University.
I did quite some time ago after hearing the Brady worshippers constantly giving him all the credit.
Pretty obvious that they won when they had Brady AND a top 10 defense and didn't when they had a poorer defensive unit.
Perhaps the below posted quote from the man himself, will help Brady worshippers understand the situation a little bit better.
"It takes a great coaching staff to win, it takes great players to win, it takes great front office support to win," Brady said. "It's an organizational win. It's an organizational loss. To [put a] a win or loss to one player -- and they did that for me a lot with winning -- and I always say, 'It's not about me, it's about us.' As a leader, when you lose you take the blame and you give the credit when you win. But at the end of the day it's a team sport. It's not golf. It's not tennis. It's not wrestling, It's not diving... It's the ultimate team sport."
The hilarious thing is that probably Tom Brady will give the introduction speech, right before Belichick speaks, to welcome Belichick into the Hall of Fame.
I'd advise the combo Brady worshippers/Belichick bashers to make sure they are close to a hospital for possible medical attention needed from all the stress of the accolades that Tom will obviously give to Bill. 🤣
@perkdog said:
Without Brady the Pats don't win 6 Super Bowls, whoever wants to spin it in any other way is free to do so but I highly disagree
Perhaps not, or likely not. So I don't disagree with ya.
However it could be, and I think highly probable that if Bill Belichick was never born, then Tom Brady may have never gotten the opportunity to win even one Super Bowl. I could expound on this, but of course it would only be opinion.
The stone cold fact is they were both great, not debatable. Both first ballot Hall of Famers, not debatable. And both possibly unanimous selections - in my opinion Brady definitely and Belichick probably.
"It takes a great coaching staff to win" - notice in Tom's quotation that he placed this comment first. Brady has stated a number of times, paraphrase, that if it wasn't for Bill Belichick, that he wouldn't have become the player that he was. I take him at his word. 😊
@perkdog said:
Without Brady the Pats don't win 6 Super Bowls, whoever wants to spin it in any other way is free to do so but I highly disagree
Perhaps not, or likely not. So I don't disagree with ya.
However it could be, and I think highly probable that if Bill Belichick was never born, then Tom Brady may have never gotten the opportunity to win even one Super Bowl. I could expound on this, but of course it would only be opinion.
The stone cold fact is they were both great, not debatable. Both first ballot Hall of Famers, not debatable. And both possibly unanimous selections - in my opinion Brady definitely and Belichick probably.
"It takes a great coaching staff to win" - notice in Tom's quotation that he placed this comment first. Brady has stated a number of times, paraphrase, that if it wasn't for Bill Belichick, that he wouldn't have become the player that he was. I take him at his word. 😊
Bruce Arians is not even in the same conversation as Belichick, I'm assuming we can all agree on that.
Brady won under Arians, Belichick has been a complete failure without Brady.
@perkdog said:
Without Brady the Pats don't win 6 Super Bowls, whoever wants to spin it in any other way is free to do so but I highly disagree
Perhaps not, or likely not. So I don't disagree with ya.
However it could be, and I think highly probable that if Bill Belichick was never born, then Tom Brady may have never gotten the opportunity to win even one Super Bowl. I could expound on this, but of course it would only be opinion.
The stone cold fact is they were both great, not debatable. Both first ballot Hall of Famers, not debatable. And both possibly unanimous selections - in my opinion Brady definitely and Belichick probably.
"It takes a great coaching staff to win" - notice in Tom's quotation that he placed this comment first. Brady has stated a number of times, paraphrase, that if it wasn't for Bill Belichick, that he wouldn't have become the player that he was. I take him at his word. 😊
Bruce Arians is not even in the same conversation as Belichick, I'm assuming we can all agree on that.
Brady won under Arians, Belichick has been a complete failure without Brady.
Those are facts.
Just saying 💁
Not in the same conversation, but Arians does have an 80-48 lifetime coaching record, so he wasn't terrible either.
Belichick in Cleveland was well known in football circles as an up and coming genius. Art Modell royally screwed up that situation.
Kraft hired Belichick and the rest is history. Bill never was allowed to show his full potential with the Browns, but got that opportunity in New England, and excelled to become the GOAT head coach. We all know that Brady helped him to do that, of course, it's a team game with QB the most important position.
All that being said, it still astonishes me, especially with Patriots fans, how they bash Belichick as though he had little or nothing to do with winning those Super Bowls, which in my view is preposterous.
The only fact that really matters is that Bill assembled those Super Bowl winning teams, and coached those Super Bowl winning teams, and should naturally receive the most credit for the success. And it seems that Tom Brady agrees with exactly that.
@stevek said:
Store bought cereal with the artificial sweeteners, colorings, preservatives, etc in it? That chit is poison. Might as well make it complete by sprinkling cyanide on it. Gives it a delicious bitter almond flavor.
Smarten up your diet and instead buy organic rolled oats. My favorite is to add frozen organic wild blueberries to it, and add bottled water, for a very tasty, healthy snack or even a small meal. Other berries are great as well such as strawberries, raspberries, etc. Could also sprinkle in some organic non-salted walnut pieces in there.
Your body will thank you for it. 😊
Seriously, bottled water?
Guess you haven’t heard about the leaching.
Your diet really sounds unhealthy as chit. Do like I did and plant a couple acres of bamboo. Then go out every mealtime and eat bamboo shoots. Your body will thank you. The only drawback is once your dietary utopia is established you’ll have to fight off pandas to get your 3 square meals a day.
Also once a year I go to the Antarctic and get 10000 lbs of thousand year old arctic ice. Then come back and melt it at my convenience for drinking water. The 1,000 year old stuff is imbedded with many healthy nutrients that the younger ice just doesn’t have. Hope this helps!
Good post. Introduce that idea to a fast food chain. They might like it. Probably healthier than the french fries. 🤣
I will say that I do like BB. He was a great coach. he was also probably the GOAT at dissecting film and game planning. He also stuck his neck WAY out there back in 2000 to keep TB on the roster (he was 4th in the depth chart). Also in 2001 when he stayed with TB after Bledsoe was cleared to play. and when TB hurt his ankle in the AFCCG with only one week between the SB. He easily could have gone with Bledsoe, who had SB experience and was 100% healthy. There are many (most) coaches who would not have done those things. Is BB the same coach today? I dont think so.
I will also say that however great a coaching staff is, they cannot play on the field and complete passes etc. The players always will have a higher percentage for a win than a coach will. I am not sure if that percentage is 95-5 or 65-35. But the players will have more.
@perkdog said:
Without Brady the Pats don't win 6 Super Bowls, whoever wants to spin it in any other way is free to do so but I highly disagree
Perhaps not, or likely not. So I don't disagree with ya.
However it could be, and I think highly probable that if Bill Belichick was never born, then Tom Brady may have never gotten the opportunity to win even one Super Bowl. I could expound on this, but of course it would only be opinion.
The stone cold fact is they were both great, not debatable. Both first ballot Hall of Famers, not debatable. And both possibly unanimous selections - in my opinion Brady definitely and Belichick probably.
"It takes a great coaching staff to win" - notice in Tom's quotation that he placed this comment first. Brady has stated a number of times, paraphrase, that if it wasn't for Bill Belichick, that he wouldn't have become the player that he was. I take him at his word. 😊
Bruce Arians is not even in the same conversation as Belichick, I'm assuming we can all agree on that.
Brady won under Arians, Belichick has been a complete failure without Brady.
Those are facts.
Just saying 💁
Not in the same conversation, but Arians does have an 80-48 lifetime coaching record, so he wasn't terrible either.
Belichick in Cleveland was well known in football circles as an up and coming genius. Art Modell royally screwed up that situation.
Kraft hired Belichick and the rest is history. Bill never was allowed to show his full potential with the Browns, but got that opportunity in New England, and excelled to become the GOAT head coach. We all know that Brady helped him to do that, of course, it's a team game with QB the most important position.
All that being said, it still astonishes me, especially with Patriots fans, how they bash Belichick as though he had little or nothing to do with winning those Super Bowls, which in my view is preposterous.
The only fact that really matters is that Bill assembled those Super Bowl winning teams, and coached those Super Bowl winning teams, and should naturally receive the most credit for the success. And it seems that Tom Brady agrees with exactly that.
I couldn't care less what Brady has to.say about it, he learned how to circumvent any direct question and spin in it a million different directions and it's highly doubtful to me that he would come off as arrogant enough to say he was the driving force behind the success but if you could get a straight answer out of him then he would say it was more him. Ofcourse this is just my opinion and like you we both are entitled to our thoughts.
I will agree that I have been hard on Belichick for sure, but it isn't entirely based on me thinking Brady is the best ever its more along the things that Bill has done to cost them big games.
Bill is a HOF coach without question but his HOF credentials hasn't done him a thing since Brady left, again this is a fact
I like Patriots fans. They are possibly the only fan base who can compete with Philly fans for worst complaining. 🤣
Dick Vermeil only got the Eagles to one Super Bowl, and he is still loved in Philly.
Upon quick thought right now, considering their head coach won six Super Bowls for them, I think the crown for worst complaining fans has to belong to Patriots fans.
I hereby relinquish the Philly crown of worst complaining fans over to Boston. 🤣
@stevek said:
I like Patriots fans. They are possibly the only fan base who can compete with Philly fans for worst complaining. 🤣
Dick Vermeil only got the Eagles to one Super Bowl, and he is still loved in Philly.
Upon quick thought right now, considering their head coach won six Super Bowls for them, I think the crown for worst complaining fans has to belong to Patriots fans.
I hereby relinquish the Philly crown of worst complaining fans over to Boston. 🤣
I find it hilarious that all non Patriots fans actually think they know all the answers to the Brady vs Belichick thing, watching them.play for 20 years surely doesn't give us as much insight as ESPN Highlights and fans of other teams 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
@perkdog said:
I find it hilarious that all non Patriots fans actually think they know all the answers to the Brady vs Belichick thing, watching them.play for 20 years surely doesn't give us as much insight as ESPN Highlights and fans of other teams 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
Yea, them six Super Bowls mean nothing. Shoulda been 20. 🤣
BB is a bum - it had to have been Brady..............
"From 1991 until 1995, Belichick was the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. During his tenure in Cleveland, he compiled a 36–44 record, leading the team to the playoffs in 1994, his only winning year with the team."
It had to have been Testaverde - not Belichick........
"On December 24, 1994, under the coaching of Bill Belichick the Browns finished the regular season at home against the Seattle Seahawks. Quarterback Vinny Testaverde threw for two touchdowns and ran another one in himself. The Browns won the game 35-9, finishing the season 11-5, and securing a playoff berth."
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@perkdog said:
I find it hilarious that all non Patriots fans actually think they know all the answers to the Brady vs Belichick thing, watching them.play for 20 years surely doesn't give us as much insight as ESPN Highlights and fans of other teams 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
its not just watching the games. it is all the post game interviews. All the local sports talk. All the preseason news, off season workouts etc. we were able to very closely watch the whole dynamic play out nearly year round for 20 years.
@perkdog said:
I find it hilarious that all non Patriots fans actually think they know all the answers to the Brady vs Belichick thing, watching them.play for 20 years surely doesn't give us as much insight as ESPN Highlights and fans of other teams 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
its not just watching the games. it is all the post game interviews. All the local sports talk. All the preseason news, off season workouts etc. we were able to very closely watch the whole dynamic play out nearly year round for 20 years.
I've always enjoyed Belichick's post game interviews.
But then again, I've always preferred interviews with no more than ten words spoken. 😆
@stevek said:
All Bill Belichick's fault. Yes it was. Dam that Belichick! 😉
OK now your getting out of line and hitting below the belt 🤨
I sincerely hope that one day the Eagles and Patriots will have a Super Bowl rubber match.
Yea the Eagles are doing great right now, and I'm singing like a canary - I admit it. But if the Patriots get lucky in the upcoming draft, and obtain a stud QB, and plug some other holes, the rubber match could happen in the upcoming years. 😊
What about Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson. The Bulls couldn't win until they got Phil Jackson. After both left the Bulls, the Bulls crapped the bed.
Jordan then went to the Washington team and did nothing. Jackson went to the Lakers and won more rings.
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@stevek said:
All Bill Belichick's fault. Yes it was. Dam that Belichick! 😉
OK now your getting out of line and hitting below the belt 🤨
I sincerely hope that one day the Eagles and Patriots will have a Super Bowl rubber match.
Yea the Eagles are doing great right now, and I'm singing like a canary - I admit it. But if the Patriots get lucky in the upcoming draft, and obtain a stud QB, and plug some other holes, the rubber match could happen in the upcoming years. 😊
I think we are a very long way away from the Pats being in the discussion of Super Bowl appearances, the Eagles have a great team and have one of the better chances this year of hoisting the trophy.
The Pats have a lot of holes to fill, I can't see a stud QB turning it around all that quickly.
@Alfonz24 said:
What about Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson. The Bulls couldn't win until they got Phil Jackson. After both left the Bulls, the Bulls crapped the bed.
Jordan then went to the Washington team and did nothing. Jackson went to the Lakers and won more rings.
Jackson inherited a stacked Lakets team though am I correct? Washington was in shambles I think.
I often wish I could have lived up North and been a part of the Patriots fan base for those 20 years, I mean up close and personal, following the day to day happenings with the team. It was one hell of a run you guys had, it really was magical. But alas, I have been stuck down here in Carolina for the last 20 years, not a very fun place to be an NFL fan, and my team has claimed yet another victim.
@doubledragon said:
Let's check in on our last head coach, Matt Rhule. Just look how much he's aged from coaching the Panthers. Look at him!
Archeologists have uncovered that Stone Age man played football. They used a rock the shape and size of a modern football. Running plays weren't bad, but passing was hard to do. Kicking attempts were brutal.
@stevek said:
All Bill Belichick's fault. Yes it was. Dam that Belichick! 😉
OK now your getting out of line and hitting below the belt 🤨
I sincerely hope that one day the Eagles and Patriots will have a Super Bowl rubber match.
Yea the Eagles are doing great right now, and I'm singing like a canary - I admit it. But if the Patriots get lucky in the upcoming draft, and obtain a stud QB, and plug some other holes, the rubber match could happen in the upcoming years. 😊
I think we are a very long way away from the Pats being in the discussion of Super Bowl appearances, the Eagles have a great team and have one of the better chances this year of hoisting the trophy.
The Pats have a lot of holes to fill, I can't see a stud QB turning it around all that quickly.
Took three seasons, but the Jags aren't playing bad football at 8-3 with the highly acclaimed Trevor Lawrence being drafted, now in his third season. The Jags did make the playoffs last season, albeit with a mediocre record.
Took the Cowboys a few seasons to kick it into gear after drafting Troy Aikman.
I don't follow college football that closely other than Penn State when they play. So I'm not sure if there are any "highly acclaimed" QB's in the upcoming draft. I'll follow it more closely when it comes time to do it, as I've always enjoyed watching the NFL draft.
Of course the big question is does Bill Belichick have the mental fortitude any longer to do the work, the needed due diligence, to try to weed out the winners from the losers in the draft? We shall see.
@Alfonz24 said:
What about Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson. The Bulls couldn't win until they got Phil Jackson. After both left the Bulls, the Bulls crapped the bed.
Jordan then went to the Washington team and did nothing. Jackson went to the Lakers and won more rings.
Jackson inherited a stacked Lakets team though am I correct? Washington was in shambles I think.
@doubledragon said:
I often wish I could have lived up North and been a part of the Patriots fan base for those 20 years, I mean up close and personal, following the day to day happenings with the team. It was one hell of a run you guys had, it really was magical. But alas, I have been stuck down here in Carolina for the last 20 years, not a very fun place to be an NFL fan, and my team has claimed yet another victim.
it really was a magical time DD. I am a very regular sports talk radio listener, and it was constant patriots talk. From Boston to Bangor there were tons of shows giving us their "scoop" on what was happening. The listener call-ins were sometimes a blast too!!
Brady was always the anchor and linchpin of the Patriots. Without Brady, the team would probably have been a mid-level football team, no spark, no excitement. IMO, there will NEVER be another Tom Terrific play in Foxboro. He was the Ted Williams, Bobby Orr, and Larry Bird of the Patriot's team.
Through thick or thin, snowstorm or anything that came their way, Brady always excelled. Credit is also due to the players on the team, who gelled and caught Tom's passes, ran the plays and developed an esprit-de-corps that was unequalled during Brady's tenure. My only regret is that I never got to see him play in person.
Belichick just held a pencil, wore frumpy clothes and rode the gravy train.
@MCMLVTopps said:
Brady was always the anchor and linchpin of the Patriots. Without Brady, the team would probably have been a mid-level football team, no spark, no excitement. IMO, there will NEVER be another Tom Terrific play in Foxboro. He was the Ted Williams, Bobby Orr, and Larry Bird of the Patriot's team.
Through thick or thin, snowstorm or anything that came their way, Brady always excelled. Credit is also due to the players on the team, who gelled and caught Tom's passes, ran the plays and developed an esprit-de-corps that was unequalled during Brady's tenure. My only regret is that I never got to see him play in person.
Belichick just held a pencil, wore frumpy clothes and rode the gravy train.
I agree. there will NEVER be another Brady play for NE. I think you just gave me an idea for a new thread...
I think some here are missing the overall point the way I see it presented. Perhaps I'm not seeing it because for years I've been putting my car keys in the freezer, not sure if that means anything or not?
Realistically, it's impossible in the game of football for any one player to be the most responsible for its success. I'm not going to regurgitate the intricacy of the game of football because we all know it. But Tom Brady clearly understands this as pointed out earlier in this thread, through his own quotes, and it's exactly why he gives Bill Belichick the most credit for the success of the New England Patriots.
If anyone wants to say that Brady was the player most responsible for the Patriots success, nobody in their right mind would argue that. But the fans extolling the virtues of Brady over Belichick for the team's success, seem to conveniently forget that Bill Belichick drafted him, coached him up, designed game plans for him, orchestrated each game as it was being played, etc. And let's not forget the defensive side of football. I don't recall Brady ever playing a single down of defense and that of course makes up approximately half of each game for a team. Also let's not forget special teams, and I don't recall Brady ever playing a single down on that or kicking any field goals.
In a more simplistic game such as baseball or basketball, I could see possibly giving one player the most credit for its success, even though both are still team sports. Perhaps like a Babe Ruth or Wilt Chamberlain in certain years. Sorry, but not in football.
I don't follow college football that closely other than Penn State when they play. So I'm not sure if there are any "highly acclaimed" QB's in the upcoming draft. I'll follow it more closely when it comes time to do it, as I've always enjoyed watching the NFL draft.
It's a pretty good class of QBs. Caleb Williams, who won the Heisman last year but won't win it again, is projected to go #1. Michael Penix Jr, Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye, Bo Nix and a few others are well-thought-of.
I don't follow college football that closely other than Penn State when they play. So I'm not sure if there are any "highly acclaimed" QB's in the upcoming draft. I'll follow it more closely when it comes time to do it, as I've always enjoyed watching the NFL draft.
It's a pretty good class of QBs. Caleb Williams, who won the Heisman last year but won't win it again, is projected to go #1. Michael Penix Jr, Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye, Bo Nix and a few others are well-thought-of.
Well then it seems like a lock that Belichick will draft a QB first.
I don't follow college football that closely other than Penn State when they play. So I'm not sure if there are any "highly acclaimed" QB's in the upcoming draft. I'll follow it more closely when it comes time to do it, as I've always enjoyed watching the NFL draft.
It's a pretty good class of QBs. Caleb Williams, who won the Heisman last year but won't win it again, is projected to go #1. Michael Penix Jr, Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye, Bo Nix and a few others are well-thought-of.
Well then it seems like a lock that Belichick will draft a QB first.
We shall see if he chooses the right one or not?
I dont know. we really need another gunner on ST's Matthew Slater cant play forever. Maybe BB will grab a QB in the 4th or 5th round...
I don't follow college football that closely other than Penn State when they play. So I'm not sure if there are any "highly acclaimed" QB's in the upcoming draft. I'll follow it more closely when it comes time to do it, as I've always enjoyed watching the NFL draft.
It's a pretty good class of QBs. Caleb Williams, who won the Heisman last year but won't win it again, is projected to go #1. Michael Penix Jr, Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye, Bo Nix and a few others are well-thought-of.
Well then it seems like a lock that Belichick will draft a QB first.
We shall see if he chooses the right one or not?
I dont know. we really need another gunner on ST's Matthew Slater cant play forever. Maybe BB will grab a QB in the 4th or 5th round...
I may be wrong - isn't Belichick recently divorced, or separated from a long time girlfriend, or something?
My nickels worth to help stir the pot. Why no mention of Bill being a cheat..... Billacheat? 2007 Spygate scandal that also revealed handwritten defensive signal diagrams from the 2001 AFC Championship game against the Steelers and then the 2019 Bengals video scandal. What? Ya'll think he didn't cheat the years in-between and before. Nah, just didn't get caught for awhile and Kraft has Goodell plus a few Florida messages in his back pocket. Tommy boy not quite a saint..... but my balls might become deflated knowing I was losing Gisele. The Patriots success belongs more to the Goat, Brady. Do I get .03 back?
I don't follow college football that closely other than Penn State when they play. So I'm not sure if there are any "highly acclaimed" QB's in the upcoming draft. I'll follow it more closely when it comes time to do it, as I've always enjoyed watching the NFL draft.
It's a pretty good class of QBs. Caleb Williams, who won the Heisman last year but won't win it again, is projected to go #1. Michael Penix Jr, Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye, Bo Nix and a few others are well-thought-of.
Well then it seems like a lock that Belichick will draft a QB first.
We shall see if he chooses the right one or not?
I dont know. we really need another gunner on ST's Matthew Slater cant play forever. Maybe BB will grab a QB in the 4th or 5th round...
I may be wrong - isn't Belichick recently divorced, or separated from a long time girlfriend, or something?
So he may decide to draft a cheerleader.
you may be right steve. our cheerleader corps are getting a bit thin lately. we could use some more talent. i bet rutgers has some good options...
@sayheywyo said:
My nickels worth to help stir the pot. Why no mention of Bill being a cheat..... Billacheat? 2007 Spygate scandal that also revealed handwritten defensive signal diagrams from the 2001 AFC Championship game against the Steelers and then the 2019 Bengals video scandal. What? Ya'll think he didn't cheat the years in-between and before. Nah, just didn't get caught for awhile and Kraft has Goodell plus a few Florida messages in his back pocket. Tommy boy not quite a saint..... but my balls might become deflated knowing I was losing Gisele. The Patriots success belongs more to the Goat, Brady. Do I get .03 back?
I'm fine with anyone calling out Bill for cheating since he did get caught.
But let's just talk real if you want to.poi t that out, all teams cheat in some fashion it's whether they get caught or not.
I'm not really going to bother getting into it about the deflated ball because that was so stupid and any knowledgeable football guy knows it's a mute point and has no.effect on the the QB and his ability. That was a witch hunt nothing more nothing less, it is irrelevant to anything.
I don't follow college football that closely other than Penn State when they play. So I'm not sure if there are any "highly acclaimed" QB's in the upcoming draft. I'll follow it more closely when it comes time to do it, as I've always enjoyed watching the NFL draft.
It's a pretty good class of QBs. Caleb Williams, who won the Heisman last year but won't win it again, is projected to go #1. Michael Penix Jr, Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye, Bo Nix and a few others are well-thought-of.
Well then it seems like a lock that Belichick will draft a QB first.
We shall see if he chooses the right one or not?
I dont know. we really need another gunner on ST's Matthew Slater cant play forever. Maybe BB will grab a QB in the 4th or 5th round...
I may be wrong - isn't Belichick recently divorced, or separated from a long time girlfriend, or something?
So he may decide to draft a cheerleader.
you may be right steve. our cheerleader corps are getting a bit thin lately. we could use some more talent. i bet rutgers has some good options...
@sayheywyo said:
My nickels worth to help stir the pot. Why no mention of Bill being a cheat..... Billacheat? 2007 Spygate scandal that also revealed handwritten defensive signal diagrams from the 2001 AFC Championship game against the Steelers and then the 2019 Bengals video scandal. What? Ya'll think he didn't cheat the years in-between and before. Nah, just didn't get caught for awhile and Kraft has Goodell plus a few Florida messages in his back pocket. Tommy boy not quite a saint..... but my balls might become deflated knowing I was losing Gisele. The Patriots success belongs more to the Goat, Brady. Do I get .03 back?
Belichick supposedly was "cheating" during the first Eagles-Patriots Super Bowl.
Long story short - I don't know of a single Eagles fan who cared about that, even if it was true. We were beaten by a better team and that's that.
If it didn't bother Eagles fans, why should it bother anyone else?
The deflate-gate thing, the second I heard about it, I thought it was the dumbest thing I've ever heard, and that's what I still think. Much ado about absolutely nothing. Silly beyond belief.
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Perhaps the below posted quote from the man himself, will help Brady worshippers understand the situation a little bit better.
"It takes a great coaching staff to win, it takes great players to win, it takes great front office support to win," Brady said. "It's an organizational win. It's an organizational loss. To [put a] a win or loss to one player -- and they did that for me a lot with winning -- and I always say, 'It's not about me, it's about us.' As a leader, when you lose you take the blame and you give the credit when you win. But at the end of the day it's a team sport. It's not golf. It's not tennis. It's not wrestling, It's not diving... It's the ultimate team sport."
The hilarious thing is that probably Tom Brady will give the introduction speech, right before Belichick speaks, to welcome Belichick into the Hall of Fame.
I'd advise the combo Brady worshippers/Belichick bashers to make sure they are close to a hospital for possible medical attention needed from all the stress of the accolades that Tom will obviously give to Bill. 🤣
Without Brady the Pats don't win 6 Super Bowls, whoever wants to spin it in any other way is free to do so but I highly disagree
Perhaps not, or likely not. So I don't disagree with ya.
However it could be, and I think highly probable that if Bill Belichick was never born, then Tom Brady may have never gotten the opportunity to win even one Super Bowl. I could expound on this, but of course it would only be opinion.
The stone cold fact is they were both great, not debatable. Both first ballot Hall of Famers, not debatable. And both possibly unanimous selections - in my opinion Brady definitely and Belichick probably.
"It takes a great coaching staff to win" - notice in Tom's quotation that he placed this comment first. Brady has stated a number of times, paraphrase, that if it wasn't for Bill Belichick, that he wouldn't have become the player that he was. I take him at his word. 😊
Bruce Arians is not even in the same conversation as Belichick, I'm assuming we can all agree on that.
Brady won under Arians, Belichick has been a complete failure without Brady.
Those are facts.
Just saying 💁
Not in the same conversation, but Arians does have an 80-48 lifetime coaching record, so he wasn't terrible either.
Belichick in Cleveland was well known in football circles as an up and coming genius. Art Modell royally screwed up that situation.
Kraft hired Belichick and the rest is history. Bill never was allowed to show his full potential with the Browns, but got that opportunity in New England, and excelled to become the GOAT head coach. We all know that Brady helped him to do that, of course, it's a team game with QB the most important position.
All that being said, it still astonishes me, especially with Patriots fans, how they bash Belichick as though he had little or nothing to do with winning those Super Bowls, which in my view is preposterous.
The only fact that really matters is that Bill assembled those Super Bowl winning teams, and coached those Super Bowl winning teams, and should naturally receive the most credit for the success. And it seems that Tom Brady agrees with exactly that.
No, they would just deep fry the bamboo shoots.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I will say that I do like BB. He was a great coach. he was also probably the GOAT at dissecting film and game planning. He also stuck his neck WAY out there back in 2000 to keep TB on the roster (he was 4th in the depth chart). Also in 2001 when he stayed with TB after Bledsoe was cleared to play. and when TB hurt his ankle in the AFCCG with only one week between the SB. He easily could have gone with Bledsoe, who had SB experience and was 100% healthy. There are many (most) coaches who would not have done those things. Is BB the same coach today? I dont think so.
I will also say that however great a coaching staff is, they cannot play on the field and complete passes etc. The players always will have a higher percentage for a win than a coach will. I am not sure if that percentage is 95-5 or 65-35. But the players will have more.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I couldn't care less what Brady has to.say about it, he learned how to circumvent any direct question and spin in it a million different directions and it's highly doubtful to me that he would come off as arrogant enough to say he was the driving force behind the success but if you could get a straight answer out of him then he would say it was more him. Ofcourse this is just my opinion and like you we both are entitled to our thoughts.
I will agree that I have been hard on Belichick for sure, but it isn't entirely based on me thinking Brady is the best ever its more along the things that Bill has done to cost them big games.
Bill is a HOF coach without question but his HOF credentials hasn't done him a thing since Brady left, again this is a fact
I like Patriots fans. They are possibly the only fan base who can compete with Philly fans for worst complaining. 🤣
Dick Vermeil only got the Eagles to one Super Bowl, and he is still loved in Philly.
Upon quick thought right now, considering their head coach won six Super Bowls for them, I think the crown for worst complaining fans has to belong to Patriots fans.
I hereby relinquish the Philly crown of worst complaining fans over to Boston. 🤣
I will accept that crown!! I think I deserve it
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I find it hilarious that all non Patriots fans actually think they know all the answers to the Brady vs Belichick thing, watching them.play for 20 years surely doesn't give us as much insight as ESPN Highlights and fans of other teams 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
Yea, them six Super Bowls mean nothing. Shoulda been 20. 🤣
All Bill Belichick's fault. Yes it was. Dam that Belichick! 😉
BB is a bum - it had to have been Brady..............
"From 1991 until 1995, Belichick was the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. During his tenure in Cleveland, he compiled a 36–44 record, leading the team to the playoffs in 1994, his only winning year with the team."
It had to have been Testaverde - not Belichick........
"On December 24, 1994, under the coaching of Bill Belichick the Browns finished the regular season at home against the Seattle Seahawks. Quarterback Vinny Testaverde threw for two touchdowns and ran another one in himself. The Browns won the game 35-9, finishing the season 11-5, and securing a playoff berth."
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its not just watching the games. it is all the post game interviews. All the local sports talk. All the preseason news, off season workouts etc. we were able to very closely watch the whole dynamic play out nearly year round for 20 years.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I've always enjoyed Belichick's post game interviews.
But then again, I've always preferred interviews with no more than ten words spoken. 😆
OK now your getting out of line and hitting below the belt 🤨
I sincerely hope that one day the Eagles and Patriots will have a Super Bowl rubber match.
Yea the Eagles are doing great right now, and I'm singing like a canary - I admit it. But if the Patriots get lucky in the upcoming draft, and obtain a stud QB, and plug some other holes, the rubber match could happen in the upcoming years. 😊
What about Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson. The Bulls couldn't win until they got Phil Jackson. After both left the Bulls, the Bulls crapped the bed.
Jordan then went to the Washington team and did nothing. Jackson went to the Lakers and won more rings.
I think we are a very long way away from the Pats being in the discussion of Super Bowl appearances, the Eagles have a great team and have one of the better chances this year of hoisting the trophy.
The Pats have a lot of holes to fill, I can't see a stud QB turning it around all that quickly.
Jackson inherited a stacked Lakets team though am I correct? Washington was in shambles I think.
I dont follow the NBA but you got a fair point
I often wish I could have lived up North and been a part of the Patriots fan base for those 20 years, I mean up close and personal, following the day to day happenings with the team. It was one hell of a run you guys had, it really was magical. But alas, I have been stuck down here in Carolina for the last 20 years, not a very fun place to be an NFL fan, and my team has claimed yet another victim.
Let's check in on our last head coach, Matt Rhule. Just look how much he's aged from coaching the Panthers. Look at him!
Archeologists have uncovered that Stone Age man played football. They used a rock the shape and size of a modern football. Running plays weren't bad, but passing was hard to do. Kicking attempts were brutal.
Took three seasons, but the Jags aren't playing bad football at 8-3 with the highly acclaimed Trevor Lawrence being drafted, now in his third season. The Jags did make the playoffs last season, albeit with a mediocre record.
Took the Cowboys a few seasons to kick it into gear after drafting Troy Aikman.
I don't follow college football that closely other than Penn State when they play. So I'm not sure if there are any "highly acclaimed" QB's in the upcoming draft. I'll follow it more closely when it comes time to do it, as I've always enjoyed watching the NFL draft.
Of course the big question is does Bill Belichick have the mental fortitude any longer to do the work, the needed due diligence, to try to weed out the winners from the losers in the draft? We shall see.
yes, I think that team had both Shaq and Kobe.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
it really was a magical time DD. I am a very regular sports talk radio listener, and it was constant patriots talk. From Boston to Bangor there were tons of shows giving us their "scoop" on what was happening. The listener call-ins were sometimes a blast too!!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Brady was always the anchor and linchpin of the Patriots. Without Brady, the team would probably have been a mid-level football team, no spark, no excitement. IMO, there will NEVER be another Tom Terrific play in Foxboro. He was the Ted Williams, Bobby Orr, and Larry Bird of the Patriot's team.
Through thick or thin, snowstorm or anything that came their way, Brady always excelled. Credit is also due to the players on the team, who gelled and caught Tom's passes, ran the plays and developed an esprit-de-corps that was unequalled during Brady's tenure. My only regret is that I never got to see him play in person.
Belichick just held a pencil, wore frumpy clothes and rode the gravy train.
I agree. there will NEVER be another Brady play for NE. I think you just gave me an idea for a new thread...
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I think some here are missing the overall point the way I see it presented. Perhaps I'm not seeing it because for years I've been putting my car keys in the freezer, not sure if that means anything or not?
Realistically, it's impossible in the game of football for any one player to be the most responsible for its success. I'm not going to regurgitate the intricacy of the game of football because we all know it. But Tom Brady clearly understands this as pointed out earlier in this thread, through his own quotes, and it's exactly why he gives Bill Belichick the most credit for the success of the New England Patriots.
If anyone wants to say that Brady was the player most responsible for the Patriots success, nobody in their right mind would argue that. But the fans extolling the virtues of Brady over Belichick for the team's success, seem to conveniently forget that Bill Belichick drafted him, coached him up, designed game plans for him, orchestrated each game as it was being played, etc. And let's not forget the defensive side of football. I don't recall Brady ever playing a single down of defense and that of course makes up approximately half of each game for a team. Also let's not forget special teams, and I don't recall Brady ever playing a single down on that or kicking any field goals.
In a more simplistic game such as baseball or basketball, I could see possibly giving one player the most credit for its success, even though both are still team sports. Perhaps like a Babe Ruth or Wilt Chamberlain in certain years. Sorry, but not in football.
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It's a pretty good class of QBs. Caleb Williams, who won the Heisman last year but won't win it again, is projected to go #1. Michael Penix Jr, Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye, Bo Nix and a few others are well-thought-of.
Well then it seems like a lock that Belichick will draft a QB first.
We shall see if he chooses the right one or not?
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I dont know. we really need another gunner on ST's Matthew Slater cant play forever. Maybe BB will grab a QB in the 4th or 5th round...
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I may be wrong - isn't Belichick recently divorced, or separated from a long time girlfriend, or something?
So he may decide to draft a cheerleader.
My nickels worth to help stir the pot. Why no mention of Bill being a cheat..... Billacheat? 2007 Spygate scandal that also revealed handwritten defensive signal diagrams from the 2001 AFC Championship game against the Steelers and then the 2019 Bengals video scandal. What? Ya'll think he didn't cheat the years in-between and before. Nah, just didn't get caught for awhile and Kraft has Goodell plus a few Florida messages in his back pocket. Tommy boy not quite a saint..... but my balls might become deflated knowing I was losing Gisele. The Patriots success belongs more to the Goat, Brady. Do I get .03 back?
you may be right steve. our cheerleader corps are getting a bit thin lately. we could use some more talent. i bet rutgers has some good options...
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I'm fine with anyone calling out Bill for cheating since he did get caught.
But let's just talk real if you want to.poi t that out, all teams cheat in some fashion it's whether they get caught or not.
I'm not really going to bother getting into it about the deflated ball because that was so stupid and any knowledgeable football guy knows it's a mute point and has no.effect on the the QB and his ability. That was a witch hunt nothing more nothing less, it is irrelevant to anything.
Belichick supposedly was "cheating" during the first Eagles-Patriots Super Bowl.
Long story short - I don't know of a single Eagles fan who cared about that, even if it was true. We were beaten by a better team and that's that.
If it didn't bother Eagles fans, why should it bother anyone else?
The deflate-gate thing, the second I heard about it, I thought it was the dumbest thing I've ever heard, and that's what I still think. Much ado about absolutely nothing. Silly beyond belief.
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