I would not be surprised if internally they decided being a grader of vintage cards is not who they want to be anymore. Maybe from a pure business standpoint it is not as profitable of a venture as other possibilities. I cant remember specifics but feel that there may have been some read between the lines messages sent out that suggested that before. Maybe vintage is more time-consuming. A shrinking business opportunity with incredibly smaller supply. When they were handing out 9s and 10s on 70s there was a smaller playing field. In terms of types of cards folks wanted to send in. Maybe now they realize we would rather focus on receiving 200,000 Pokemon TCG cards a week. Maybe they can evaluate the condition quicker. Maybe Topps Chrome and Panini Prizm, minus the autographs and /ed rarities is a real quick operation too. Focus on the product that will keep coming off the shelf and will have an endless supply. Its like if you have a Minty looking Mantle sure we can charge you in the thousands to look at one card. That is nice business for us. Takes about twenty minutes. Labor and equipment overhead etc. cost and dollars received works. Nice profit on that exchange. Or you can go to SGC with your card that might be worth 5 to 10 to $20,000 after its graded and pay them $15 to grade it. I dont think PSA is trying hard to KEEP this kind of business. They can be busy enough grading hundreds of thousands, millions of cards that come through the door that are easy low hanging fruit quick turnaround stuff they can pump out quick and ring the register. It fits if they discourage the type of business they dont want. Success story with me. Message received. I have more raw 50s cards and they will go to SGC and I will see if SGC has a higher opinion of the ones PSA just graded and I will stop buying 50s cards raw. Unless maybe I like the way they look in SGC holders. I plan to continue to be a PSA customer but I will plan to send them the cards I think they want, the ones I feel they will grade fairly and will match my opinion of what the true grade is.
You would think PSA would be taking notice of the displeasure in vintage and look into it but maybe you’re right the don’t care and don’t want vintage anymore
OH yeah. Never 10s.
And I wouldnt call this vintage by the way. But if my Gem looking 80s cards cant 10. Good luck on anything before that.
Just had an order pop 1 hour ago. 1980s special. I was like ok Ill try it and send in 40+ cards looking for 9s or better.
OPC hockey and some topps baseball. 1980-87 I had a full busted case of 1981topps vending and sent in the best 10 of the case. I gots 7-8s only. Brutal
Well results are
0 PSA 10s
6 PSA 9s
22 PSA 8s
0 PSA 8.5s
11 PSA 7s
2 PSA 6s
and one min size.
Another one I would have just never sent in and I dont even plan on opening the package for at least several months to a year.
Again I sent in cards I thought would be mint or better. Did not expect but maybe 10 8s. With this the new standard I dont have anything to grade and I thought I had 3000+ in a box waiting to grade some day at the right price. I have been here sense 1996.
Ugly order for me. Back to the corner I will go. It is break time again
And my other 2 vintage card order 25.00 a card 500.00 value max.
I got a 75.00 up charge on one card that has a SMR value of 450.00.
And no past sales for my grade. Mine is a PSA 6 . Past sales for a PSA 5 was 650.00 in 2020 and a PSA 7 for 500 in 2018 but a PSA 3 sold for 900 2023 but a PSA 8 sold for 2000 in 2023. Its a Hand cut card. So I thought the price was ok but not at the same time.
Fun week
Just venting now.
@handyman said:
OH yeah. Never 10s.
And I wouldnt call this vintage by the way. But if my Gem looking 80s cards cant 10. Good luck on anything before that.
Just had an order pop 1 hour ago. 1980s special. I was like ok Ill try it and send in 40+ cards looking for 9s or better.
OPC hockey and some topps baseball. 1980-87 I had a full busted case of 1981topps vending and sent in the best 10 of the case. I gots 7-8s only. Brutal
Well results are
0 PSA 10s
6 PSA 9s
22 PSA 8s
0 PSA 8.5s
11 PSA 7s
2 PSA 6s
and one min size.
Another one I would have just never sent in and I dont even plan on opening the package for at least several months to a year.
Again I sent in cards I thought would be mint or better. Did not expect but maybe 10 8s. With this the new standard I dont have anything to grade and I thought I had 3000+ in a box waiting to grade some day at the right price. I have been here sense 1996.
Ugly order for me. Back to the corner I will go. It is break time again
And my other 2 vintage card order 25.00 a card 500.00 value max.
I got a 75.00 up charge on one card that has a SMR value of 450.00.
Fun week
Just venting now.
Very sad. I think most of us if not all feel your pain.
I feel you, man. I've started to be so crazy when it comes to what I send in to grade. I've gone from probably 600-800 I would have sent in a few years ago to maybe 200 I'll seriously consider at this point. I'm not going to take a chance on most cards from the 70s/80s that would have been an 8/9/10 that now will be a 5, 6 or 7. Maybe these standards are good, but it's also very bad for PSA if we all start culling submissions.
I did get 3 10s on a recent 80s special, and the first 10s I've gotten on vintage since they reopened. I was pretty fortunate in that most of the cards I got back were 8/9s. Probably 75% were 8/9 and the rest were 7s with some 6s thrown in. For cards in the 80s a 6/7 is NOT good ROI.
@handyman said:
OH yeah. Never 10s.
And I wouldnt call this vintage by the way. But if my Gem looking 80s cards cant 10. Good luck on anything before that.
Just had an order pop 1 hour ago. 1980s special. I was like ok Ill try it and send in 40+ cards looking for 9s or better.
OPC hockey and some topps baseball. 1980-87 I had a full busted case of 1981topps vending and sent in the best 10 of the case. I gots 7-8s only. Brutal
Well results are
0 PSA 10s
6 PSA 9s
22 PSA 8s
0 PSA 8.5s
11 PSA 7s
2 PSA 6s
and one min size.
Another one I would have just never sent in and I dont even plan on opening the package for at least several months to a year.
Again I sent in cards I thought would be mint or better. Did not expect but maybe 10 8s. With this the new standard I dont have anything to grade and I thought I had 3000+ in a box waiting to grade some day at the right price. I have been here sense 1996.
Ugly order for me. Back to the corner I will go. It is break time again
And my other 2 vintage card order 25.00 a card 500.00 value max.
I got a 75.00 up charge on one card that has a SMR value of 450.00.
And no past sales for my grade. Mine is a PSA 6 . Past sales for a PSA 5 was 650.00 in 2020 and a PSA 7 for 500 in 2018 but a PSA 3 sold for 900 2023 but a PSA 8 sold for 2000 in 2023. Its a Hand cut card. So I thought the price was ok but not at the same time.
Fun week
Just venting now.
Oh man. Sorry to hear. Your post is giving me anxiety about my 80s sub.
Doesn't help that it's been stuck in QA1 for 3 weeks either.
Can you see your grades in Q1?
The new system now goes
GRading then Assembly, the Grades shown, Then Q1 then shipping.
I can see my grades now in Q1 FYI.
So maybe you got the old grading and I got the new grading machine.
@handyman said:
Can you see your grades in Q1?
The new system now goes
GRading then Assembly, the Grades shown, Then Q1 then shipping.
I can see my grades now in Q1 FYI.
So maybe you got the old grading and I got the new grading machine.
Oh I know. I've been keeping an eye out on both the old and new way, just out of curiosity.
The new way currently shows Grades are not ready yet.
I figure I would get an email saying when they are, so all the frantic page refreshing is probably pointless. LOL
I do like the new way, except that when you page refresh, you have to re-login every time. Annoying.
Didn't need to with the old way.
Sorry to hear that Neil. I skipped both months of the 60s special this time. I thought about cracking some from the last order and see if a different grader sees them differently but why bother? High grade raw vintage will always be in demand. No sense wasting money to put them into low grade holders. I'd rather just sit on them.
@handyman said:
OH yeah. Never 10s.
And I wouldnt call this vintage by the way. But if my Gem looking 80s cards cant 10. Good luck on anything before that.
Just had an order pop 1 hour ago. 1980s special. I was like ok Ill try it and send in 40+ cards looking for 9s or better.
OPC hockey and some topps baseball. 1980-87 I had a full busted case of 1981topps vending and sent in the best 10 of the case. I gots 7-8s only. Brutal
Well results are
0 PSA 10s
6 PSA 9s
22 PSA 8s
0 PSA 8.5s
11 PSA 7s
2 PSA 6s
and one min size.
Another one I would have just never sent in and I dont even plan on opening the package for at least several months to a year.
Again I sent in cards I thought would be mint or better. Did not expect but maybe 10 8s. With this the new standard I dont have anything to grade and I thought I had 3000+ in a box waiting to grade some day at the right price. I have been here sense 1996.
Ugly order for me. Back to the corner I will go. It is break time again
And my other 2 vintage card order 25.00 a card 500.00 value max.
I got a 75.00 up charge on one card that has a SMR value of 450.00.
And no past sales for my grade. Mine is a PSA 6 . Past sales for a PSA 5 was 650.00 in 2020 and a PSA 7 for 500 in 2018 but a PSA 3 sold for 900 2023 but a PSA 8 sold for 2000 in 2023. Its a Hand cut card. So I thought the price was ok but not at the same time.
Fun week
Just venting now.
,mike schmidt,George brettt, don sutton, 1980 OPC Ted simmons that looked GEM got a 7. I think they tought rough cuts were wear. nothing major. No key cards from the set but yes stars. 1980s stuff that I have 10xs of each pack fresh examples to choose from. Disappointing
Recently got a 1957 Quaker Pack-O-Ten Warplanes PSA 10 from Ebay and I have 4 more on the way. I have probably 4 complete sets plus loose extras. I was afraid to send mine in for grading after seeing time after time the cards that appear to get misgraded. I hate to pay the extra $$ but at least it is a sure thing.
The PSA app now shows that my sub just moved to QA2. Still no grade reveal. The app still uses the 'old' way.
It seems the 'new' system claiming showing the grade reveal before QA, is really no different than the 'old' way.
They say it's earlier, but it just appears that the grades are ready after Quality Checks as before, then they just sit on it for awhile, giving you time to decide how you want your cards to ship, home or vault or split, instead of just shipping right away.
It appears to just add a another week to the process.
@RonSportscards said:
The PSA app now shows that my sub just moved to QA2. Still no grade reveal. The app still uses the 'old' way.
It seems the 'new' system claiming showing the grade reveal before QA, is really no different than the 'old' way.
They say it's earlier, but it just appears that the grades are ready after Quality Checks as before, then they just sit on it for awhile, giving you time to decide how you want your cards to ship, home or vault or split, instead of just shipping right away.
It appears to just add a another week to the process.
I’m seeing it as a new setup when I check my orders. It even shows ‘Grades Ready’ between Assembly and Quality Check (there’s only one QC now in the new setup).
Maybe yours is on an old sub that was before they went the new setup?
@RonSportscards said:
The PSA app now shows that my sub just moved to QA2. Still no grade reveal. The app still uses the 'old' way.
It seems the 'new' system claiming showing the grade reveal before QA, is really no different than the 'old' way.
They say it's earlier, but it just appears that the grades are ready after Quality Checks as before, then they just sit on it for awhile, giving you time to decide how you want your cards to ship, home or vault or split, instead of just shipping right away.
It appears to just add a another week to the process.
I’m seeing it as a new setup when I check my orders. It even shows ‘Grades Ready’ between Assembly and Quality Check (there’s only one QC now in the new setup).
Maybe yours is on an old sub that was before they went the new setup?
What I'm saying is, in the phone app, it is showing the old way.
On the website, I can view it both the old way....
and the new way, depending on what address I input....
....and I'm suggesting that the process has not REALLY changed.
The grades are still ready after the QAs, in practice.
The new way seems misleading, in that it purports the grades are ready earlier than before.
It looks like they are ready in the same timeframe as the old way, then they sit on it awhile, to give you time to decide how to ship, prolonging the process.
I believe my sub was after yours.
Yeah is you click on the button in the email PSA sends you to review order it will open up the “old way” In the old way you don’t see grades till after level 7 as always. Ron is right , the new way shows the grades so you can decide to vault or Goldin. It’s just a ploy to get your cards at auction or in their hands at vault
Expecting this thread to go next. Removing threads of this type as if they never existed will likely be the next move employed.
Yep. There was nothing in that thread that warranted it to be closed - other than submitters sharing their actual grading results and feelings about them, Guess CU does not like their customers speaking about their experiences using PSA on the forum, especially if there is a general consensus that service / grading is not up to par lately.
Expecting this thread to go next. Removing threads of this type as if they never existed will likely be the next move employed.
Yep. There was nothing in that thread that warranted it to be closed - other than submitters sharing their actual grading results and feelings about them, Guess CU does not like their customers speaking about their experiences using PSA on the forum, especially if there is a general consensus that service / grading is not up to par lately.
For sure. Closing a thread won't make folks stop talking about their PSA graded cards on the PSA site. If anything it will just make them start new threads so it seems like the bad feelings are even more widespread than they actually are. The logic of that closing seems questionable.
I'd wonder if they'd close them if folks were happy with recent grading and kept opening threads discussing that. Which is exactly what would be happening if people felt that way.
Expecting this thread to go next. Removing threads of this type as if they never existed will likely be the next move employed.
I think that was the most popular post. I was surprised they started that post because it was more or less the same as this posting. This problem needs to be fixed ASAP as it is effecting so many people and if it is ignored will only get worse or even disastrous for all ,especially PSA.
I love PSA and the Set Registry and have many sets on the registry .I hope to have many many more in the future, so I hope this can get resolved soon.
In my opinion it will add fuel to the fire. The forums will be left with folks holding back their to opinions or the forum will go away entirely. It won't affect the bottom line much unless things don't change and people at card shows, social media, and other outlets chatter louder.
If this is an issue with internal employees then it's possible they are not going to throw employees under the bus. The long lead times and volume of submissions required new employees. We all saw help wanted signs and businesses closing for the past few years. The problem is probably a variety of issues but it's not reassuring when there is a consistent uproar from the loyal crowd for months and we all are puzzled. Business ethics matter to me and I'm hopeful they matter to Nat too.
I thank you guys for the commentary and the recent results. I have only sent in for grading three times, but have cards set aside that I have intended to send, figuring pricing would settle down like it has recently. I'm definitely on hold now after reviewing the recent results. It seemed like there was healthy debate on that thread - agree it should still be open.
I thought it was funny that the final poster said he hopes someone at PSA reads the thread.
Then it got closed, so I guess someone at PSA read the thread. LOL
I had a 10 card submission pop today.
The last of the 1982 OPC Hockey
Get this, I got 1-10!!!!!!!!!!!! All 10 cards were of the same player.
Here is the results of 10 of the same card pulled out of a cut card case I cracked.
1-10
4-9’s
AND 5- N5 Altered Stock
Do you believe that crud!!!!!!
The card was not one of the Gretzky cards or the Fuhr or Hawerchuk
This was my punishment for getting a 10. They basically charged be for getting the 10 by giving me 5 “Altered Stock” which nothing but horsebleep
@Harnessracing said:
I had a 10 card submission pop today.
The last of the 1982 OPC Hockey
Get this, I got 1-10!!!!!!!!!!!! All 10 cards were of the same player.
Here is the results of 10 of the same card pulled out of a cut card case I cracked.
1-10
4-9’s
AND 5- N5 Altered Stock
Do you believe that crud!!!!!!
The card was not one of the Gretzky cards or the Fuhr or Hawerchuk
This was my punishment for getting a 10. They basically charged be for getting the 10 by giving me 5 “Altered Stock” which nothing but horsebleep
My quick math shows 13,179 cards in the 70's graded in the Sports Category, 31,515 in the 60's and 14,325 in the 50's. The 70's had approximately 198 Gem Mint 10's and the 60's had about 35. It's clearly going to be leaning more towards the large percentage being split between baseball and football though the Sports category also includes basketball, hockey and soccer. Bottom line is, it's not easy to find legit Gem Mint 10 contenders from gradable 70s unopened or raw and it obviously gets worse as you go older. However, there are collections out there like the one from Heritage that's coming up for auction in January that are out there.
This type of info is fantastic. I'm a numbers guy and these type of info is great. I like grading with Beckett some, but not 65 days or longer return. It's killing them. Looks like CGC was more about Magic, Pokemon cards. PSA is running away with it, but the return times are way too long for me.
Beckett needs to get it back to 5 - 10 days and they will move back up quickly, if not SGC will continue take their market share. I think most people have them pegged as somewhat equal on the free market.
Comments
I would not be surprised if internally they decided being a grader of vintage cards is not who they want to be anymore. Maybe from a pure business standpoint it is not as profitable of a venture as other possibilities. I cant remember specifics but feel that there may have been some read between the lines messages sent out that suggested that before. Maybe vintage is more time-consuming. A shrinking business opportunity with incredibly smaller supply. When they were handing out 9s and 10s on 70s there was a smaller playing field. In terms of types of cards folks wanted to send in. Maybe now they realize we would rather focus on receiving 200,000 Pokemon TCG cards a week. Maybe they can evaluate the condition quicker. Maybe Topps Chrome and Panini Prizm, minus the autographs and /ed rarities is a real quick operation too. Focus on the product that will keep coming off the shelf and will have an endless supply. Its like if you have a Minty looking Mantle sure we can charge you in the thousands to look at one card. That is nice business for us. Takes about twenty minutes. Labor and equipment overhead etc. cost and dollars received works. Nice profit on that exchange. Or you can go to SGC with your card that might be worth 5 to 10 to $20,000 after its graded and pay them $15 to grade it. I dont think PSA is trying hard to KEEP this kind of business. They can be busy enough grading hundreds of thousands, millions of cards that come through the door that are easy low hanging fruit quick turnaround stuff they can pump out quick and ring the register. It fits if they discourage the type of business they dont want. Success story with me. Message received. I have more raw 50s cards and they will go to SGC and I will see if SGC has a higher opinion of the ones PSA just graded and I will stop buying 50s cards raw. Unless maybe I like the way they look in SGC holders. I plan to continue to be a PSA customer but I will plan to send them the cards I think they want, the ones I feel they will grade fairly and will match my opinion of what the true grade is.
You would think PSA would be taking notice of the displeasure in vintage and look into it but maybe you’re right the don’t care and don’t want vintage anymore
That might also explain the vintage specials.
That way they can sort of expect when a specific decade will arrive so the grading is more consistent.
It could also be unhappy employees. Glassdoor has some bad reviews.
OH yeah. Never 10s.
And I wouldnt call this vintage by the way. But if my Gem looking 80s cards cant 10. Good luck on anything before that.
Just had an order pop 1 hour ago. 1980s special. I was like ok Ill try it and send in 40+ cards looking for 9s or better.
OPC hockey and some topps baseball. 1980-87 I had a full busted case of 1981topps vending and sent in the best 10 of the case. I gots 7-8s only. Brutal
Well results are
0 PSA 10s
6 PSA 9s
22 PSA 8s
0 PSA 8.5s
11 PSA 7s
2 PSA 6s
and one min size.
Another one I would have just never sent in and I dont even plan on opening the package for at least several months to a year.
Again I sent in cards I thought would be mint or better. Did not expect but maybe 10 8s. With this the new standard I dont have anything to grade and I thought I had 3000+ in a box waiting to grade some day at the right price. I have been here sense 1996.
Ugly order for me. Back to the corner I will go. It is break time again
And my other 2 vintage card order 25.00 a card 500.00 value max.
I got a 75.00 up charge on one card that has a SMR value of 450.00.
And no past sales for my grade. Mine is a PSA 6 . Past sales for a PSA 5 was 650.00 in 2020 and a PSA 7 for 500 in 2018 but a PSA 3 sold for 900 2023 but a PSA 8 sold for 2000 in 2023. Its a Hand cut card. So I thought the price was ok but not at the same time.
Fun week
Just venting now.
Very sad. I think most of us if not all feel your pain.
I feel you, man. I've started to be so crazy when it comes to what I send in to grade. I've gone from probably 600-800 I would have sent in a few years ago to maybe 200 I'll seriously consider at this point. I'm not going to take a chance on most cards from the 70s/80s that would have been an 8/9/10 that now will be a 5, 6 or 7. Maybe these standards are good, but it's also very bad for PSA if we all start culling submissions.
I did get 3 10s on a recent 80s special, and the first 10s I've gotten on vintage since they reopened. I was pretty fortunate in that most of the cards I got back were 8/9s. Probably 75% were 8/9 and the rest were 7s with some 6s thrown in. For cards in the 80s a 6/7 is NOT good ROI.
Yeah I feel it was dead nuts 1 grade off.
Like 6 10s not 6 9s
22 9s not 22 8s and
11 8s not freaking 7s
Sucks sucks sucks
Oh man. Sorry to hear. Your post is giving me anxiety about my 80s sub.
Doesn't help that it's been stuck in QA1 for 3 weeks either.
Hopefully I kept him/she or it busy for you. Just brutal
Can you see your grades in Q1?
The new system now goes
GRading then Assembly, the Grades shown, Then Q1 then shipping.
I can see my grades now in Q1 FYI.
So maybe you got the old grading and I got the new grading machine.
Oh I know. I've been keeping an eye out on both the old and new way, just out of curiosity.
The new way currently shows Grades are not ready yet.
I figure I would get an email saying when they are, so all the frantic page refreshing is probably pointless. LOL
I do like the new way, except that when you page refresh, you have to re-login every time. Annoying.
Didn't need to with the old way.
Sorry to hear that Neil. I skipped both months of the 60s special this time. I thought about cracking some from the last order and see if a different grader sees them differently but why bother? High grade raw vintage will always be in demand. No sense wasting money to put them into low grade holders. I'd rather just sit on them.
I think I have said this before on here, I think they need to add a SAD FACE EMOJI
More like a gun to the head emoji
I don’t even want to talk about the one that popped for me today
Question: stars or commons?
,mike schmidt,George brettt, don sutton, 1980 OPC Ted simmons that looked GEM got a 7. I think they tought rough cuts were wear. nothing major. No key cards from the set but yes stars. 1980s stuff that I have 10xs of each pack fresh examples to choose from. Disappointing
Recently got a 1957 Quaker Pack-O-Ten Warplanes PSA 10 from Ebay and I have 4 more on the way. I have probably 4 complete sets plus loose extras. I was afraid to send mine in for grading after seeing time after time the cards that appear to get misgraded. I hate to pay the extra $$ but at least it is a sure thing.
I stopped subbing all together. I do not want to waste the money.
The PSA app now shows that my sub just moved to QA2. Still no grade reveal. The app still uses the 'old' way.
It seems the 'new' system claiming showing the grade reveal before QA, is really no different than the 'old' way.
They say it's earlier, but it just appears that the grades are ready after Quality Checks as before, then they just sit on it for awhile, giving you time to decide how you want your cards to ship, home or vault or split, instead of just shipping right away.
It appears to just add a another week to the process.
I’m seeing it as a new setup when I check my orders. It even shows ‘Grades Ready’ between Assembly and Quality Check (there’s only one QC now in the new setup).
Maybe yours is on an old sub that was before they went the new setup?
What I'm saying is, in the phone app, it is showing the old way.
On the website, I can view it both the old way....
and the new way, depending on what address I input....
....and I'm suggesting that the process has not REALLY changed.
The grades are still ready after the QAs, in practice.
The new way seems misleading, in that it purports the grades are ready earlier than before.
It looks like they are ready in the same timeframe as the old way, then they sit on it awhile, to give you time to decide how to ship, prolonging the process.
I believe my sub was after yours.
^^
Mine arrived August1.
Oddly I didn’t know you could still see the old way.
Yeah is you click on the button in the email PSA sends you to review order it will open up the “old way” In the old way you don’t see grades till after level 7 as always. Ron is right , the new way shows the grades so you can decide to vault or Goldin. It’s just a ploy to get your cards at auction or in their hands at vault
Where is the option "details explaining the grade"?
I see this thread was closed; https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1095727/been-years-since-my-last-post-but-this-is-warranted#latest
Expecting this thread to go next. Removing threads of this type as if they never existed will likely be the next move employed.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Yep. There was nothing in that thread that warranted it to be closed - other than submitters sharing their actual grading results and feelings about them, Guess CU does not like their customers speaking about their experiences using PSA on the forum, especially if there is a general consensus that service / grading is not up to par lately.
For sure. Closing a thread won't make folks stop talking about their PSA graded cards on the PSA site. If anything it will just make them start new threads so it seems like the bad feelings are even more widespread than they actually are. The logic of that closing seems questionable.
I'd wonder if they'd close them if folks were happy with recent grading and kept opening threads discussing that. Which is exactly what would be happening if people felt that way.
I think that was the most popular post. I was surprised they started that post because it was more or less the same as this posting. This problem needs to be fixed ASAP as it is effecting so many people and if it is ignored will only get worse or even disastrous for all ,especially PSA.
I love PSA and the Set Registry and have many sets on the registry .I hope to have many many more in the future, so I hope this can get resolved soon.
In my opinion it will add fuel to the fire. The forums will be left with folks holding back their to opinions or the forum will go away entirely. It won't affect the bottom line much unless things don't change and people at card shows, social media, and other outlets chatter louder.
If this is an issue with internal employees then it's possible they are not going to throw employees under the bus. The long lead times and volume of submissions required new employees. We all saw help wanted signs and businesses closing for the past few years. The problem is probably a variety of issues but it's not reassuring when there is a consistent uproar from the loyal crowd for months and we all are puzzled. Business ethics matter to me and I'm hopeful they matter to Nat too.
I thank you guys for the commentary and the recent results. I have only sent in for grading three times, but have cards set aside that I have intended to send, figuring pricing would settle down like it has recently. I'm definitely on hold now after reviewing the recent results. It seemed like there was healthy debate on that thread - agree it should still be open.
I thought it was funny that the final poster said he hopes someone at PSA reads the thread.
Then it got closed, so I guess someone at PSA read the thread. LOL
B careful with your words here…or another thread will be stitched shut-notwithstanding your First Amendment Rights.
I had a 10 card submission pop today.
The last of the 1982 OPC Hockey
Get this, I got 1-10!!!!!!!!!!!! All 10 cards were of the same player.
Here is the results of 10 of the same card pulled out of a cut card case I cracked.
1-10
4-9’s
AND 5- N5 Altered Stock
Do you believe that crud!!!!!!
The card was not one of the Gretzky cards or the Fuhr or Hawerchuk
This was my punishment for getting a 10. They basically charged be for getting the 10 by giving me 5 “Altered Stock” which nothing but horsebleep
I guess that is half good.
Here we go again. This card shouldn’t even be a 9.
That should be a PSA 8 PD. Lots of “snow” on the team name and black frame, plus registration issues too.
I can only assume this is a “mechanical error?” 🤔
I suspect a newly graded vintage 10 will surface here and there. To keep the submission appetite wheted that it is still possible.
Not sure if others have seen these, but Gemrate posts this and much more pop data on instagram. Yeah not looking good for anything older than 1980.
This and much other info is at:
Nic
Guides Authored - Graded Card Scanning Guide PDF | History of the PSA Label PDF
My quick math shows 13,179 cards in the 70's graded in the Sports Category, 31,515 in the 60's and 14,325 in the 50's. The 70's had approximately 198 Gem Mint 10's and the 60's had about 35. It's clearly going to be leaning more towards the large percentage being split between baseball and football though the Sports category also includes basketball, hockey and soccer. Bottom line is, it's not easy to find legit Gem Mint 10 contenders from gradable 70s unopened or raw and it obviously gets worse as you go older. However, there are collections out there like the one from Heritage that's coming up for auction in January that are out there.
This type of info is fantastic. I'm a numbers guy and these type of info is great. I like grading with Beckett some, but not 65 days or longer return. It's killing them. Looks like CGC was more about Magic, Pokemon cards. PSA is running away with it, but the return times are way too long for me.
Beckett needs to get it back to 5 - 10 days and they will move back up quickly, if not SGC will continue take their market share. I think most people have them pegged as somewhat equal on the free market.