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Yes, milk spots can affect a coin’s grade.
In the future, you might get more feedback with thread titles that let readers know what you’re asking about.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
PCGS Policy for Spotting of Modern Silver Coins
GUIDELINES FOR EYE APPEAL (See the section titled "spots")
well i did it like that to arouse curiosity but message recieved
Clickbait thread titles like yours can certainly serve to arouse curiosity. They can also be a waste of time for people who can’t or don’t want to try to answer a question or comment, once they know the subject matter.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
click click click
On the other hand, this is a coin forum, so is it really click bait?…. no shortage of threads through the years that don’t get down to brass tacks until one clicks and reads …..
In answer to your question, yes, i believe it is.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
More than anything, it’s just annoying. Please make the thread title actually meaningful and stop playing games.
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@MFeld for you, perhaps it was clickbait …. most definitions of clickbait consider the ultimate level of interest of the ‘clicker’ … and there are many here that have interest in milk spots …
So maybe you are 1/2 right. But it’s not so cut and dried.
For those who might have interest in milk spots, why not include those two words in the thread’s title?
I think the OP, himself already provided the answer. 😉
“well i did it like that to arouse curiosity but message recieved”.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I have to agree with @MFeld and most others….had you accurately titled your post i would not have read it …i believe we all would like to know why most have to say or query but, i will simply not read posts from folks that often have no information in the thread title…
It says "especially " not "only". ANY title that makes you click through to find out what is about is a firm of click bait. It's worse if it is misleading. But we shouldn't have to click on the thread to find out whether it is of interest or not.
Of course there are actually a lot of click bait titles around here and this one wasn't the worst.
And since the OP admits the title was click bait...
Disagree. By that wide open interpretation, any non-specific title whatsoever amounts to clickbait. And again, this is a coin forum so we can assume it will have to do with coins on some level. Even when it does not have anything to do with a coin subject that may interest a particular clicker.
It is not clickbait when the clicker is happy to encounter whatever the clicker encounters upon clicking. Why? Because in that case the clicker was not “baited” into anything dubious or of no interest. The “bait” part is important here and to qualify requires a ‘bad outcome’ as personally judged by the clicker. There are numerous times when you may click something non-specific and end up learning something valuable….those are not instances of clickbait.
I don’t disagree with you here, but whatever word is chosen, I believe Mark is just trying to say that thread titles should probably be specific to the topic the OP wants to discuss, therefore attracting the collectors or specialists of the question to the thread, and allowing collectors who are not interested to look for another thread more in line with their speciality.
Also, threads without a specific title or ones written in a “mysterious” way often turn into this kind of thread, derailing from the original topic posted, and if any important information was posted to the thread, it often gets buried or lost.
Plus another unintended consequence: someone reads the thread, knows enough to provide an insightful answer, and then decides not to because they’re annoyed about the title.
@airplanenut said:
Oh dear, well we wouldn’t want to offend those sensitive, spiteful folks would we ?!
Bottomline: “clickbait” includes a negative connotation because it requires a negative reaction from the clicker. For all of the happy clickers…it is not clickbait.
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The thread has gone off the rails because of a bad title. The majority of the posts are now about something other than the intended topic, which, by the way, wasn't discernible by the title.
Maybe we need a new term or maybe "click bait" is appropriate, but in any case the thread's purpose became overshadowed by a debate over the title, so I'd say it was counterproductive.
How can you disagree when the OP ADMITTED that he chose the title TO BE CLICKBAIT?
So, by your dubious definition there is no such thing as a clickbait title because someone is happy.
The appropriate response was given in the first two responses. There's a dozen other milk spot threads if the OP wanted to search (rather than clickbait us
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https://forums.collectors.com/search?Search=milkspots
PCGS deducts for it, so it will affect the grade a coin gets. In my personal opinion milk spots affect the eye appeal of the coin, so I believe they should affect the grade and/or the price a coin will get if spots show up after the coin has been graded.
Edited to add: Clickbait or not, it doesn't matter. If we really want to help out other folks, I would add milk spots to the title of this thread so new collectors can search and find it to help answer some of their questions.
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Click softens the weight of bait. Call it what it is. Bait has a hook on it, or bait sits in a trap. Bait does not bode well for the prey. “To tease”, “to lure”, “to offer a ruse”; the verb ain’t nicer.
Bait does not work without hunger, greed, or curiosity, though.
OP oughta change the title of the thread to On the Properties of Clickbait.
You guys make good points.
Do you really want OP to have another excuse to continue to bring up 20 year old threads on a consistent basis?
Dang it, I know this is like banging my head against concrete … but what the heck:
Because it is the outcome for the clicker that matters — not the intent of the poster. By its very definition “clickbait” requires a negative outcome for the clicker….i.e. the clicker is baited into something he/she doesn’t like.
So even if the OP thinks it may qualify as clickbait … for many it will not be perceived that way.
Is that really so hard to understand?
LOL. He can READ them without RESURRECTING them. But your point is well taken.
Because you made that up. There's nothing in the definition of clickbait that requires the clicker to be dissatisfied.
If you've been banging your head against a wall, that may explain the problem.
Cambridge dictionary:
"articles, photographs, etc. on the internet that are intended to attract attention and encourage people to click on links to particular websites"
Dictionary.com:
"noun
a sensationalized headline or piece of text on the internet designed to entice people to follow a link to an article on another web page.
adjective
noting or relating to such internet content:"
Merriam-Webster:
": something (such as a headline) designed to make readers want to click on a hyperlink especially when the link leads to content of dubious value or interest"
Note the "ESPECIALLY when the link leads to content of dubious value". That is not a requirement.
Please return to banging your head on the wall.
I think ‘spitting in the ocean’ is a better way to summarize here with you when it comes to logic. 😆 And I see that you (mostly) ignored those definitions highlighting a negative connotation. Any search of the word “clickbait” finds results dominated by perceived negative outcomes. So no I didn’t make it up.
And that’s how it was naturally referred to by others earlier in this thread….let me paraphrase how it was referred to here: CLICKBAIT BAD! That’s why my initial reply in this thread noted that a member was 1/2 right. Because the interpretation of the outcome of clicking most definitely matters. One person’s clickbait is another’s not-clickbait. Etc.
This does not mean that I don’t understand that some folks would prefer more title details to save that precious 5 seconds of clicking and seeing what’s in there. I’m just not one of those people.
Now….if the title is vague and I click to find an advertisement from your overworked psychiatrist, now that would indeed be clickbait. Unless the doc posted a coin. Pretty sure something like that would get zapped by the mods anyways. Like perhaps this thread may be soon?…
And this is all separate from the larger point that this is a coin forum! So one may argue that really NOTHING is clickbait here as long as when you click you’re led to something, ANYTHING, coin related.
Carry on my friend.
I didn't ignore anything. I posted the first three definitions that came up. You've posted exactly zero definitions that require a negative outcome.
Ugh. Yeah you’ve nailed it.
I was baited into this thread.
I have a headache.
https://www.webmd.com/migraines-headaches/5-ways-to-get-rid-of-headache
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It's not a true bogon delete thread until we get to page three, chatting about nothing!
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The title changed and I was once again baited into the thread. Well played OP, well played.
Hehehehe
Reminds me of the horse that walked into a bar. Bartender asked: " why the long face ? "
I never let a good time go to waste.
I think milk spots and bullion coins should be limited to the precious metals forum, anyway. Go fish - clickbait- box of chocolates. Never know what you get. In the future, we should all be ashamed for responding.
OK I'll bite.
ASE is collectible or bullion? Or both? Both have milk spots.