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Let's Get Hammered! Come & Share

Hello Everyone!

I am very excited to share with y'all a completed run of coins. Most of you have probably seen me post but I collect Shillings and one of my sets is shillings by monarch. For today I wanted to share the 5 hammered shillings I needed for the set which I have recently completed. For two years I had just 1 and managed to find the remaining 4 all this year. My wallet is weeping but I am happy with where we are at. To reference my favorite quote from here again,

"The best collecting goals lie right on the border between the possible and the impossible." - Andy Lustig, @MrEureka

This group is the embodiment of that for me. Many of these are just about as nice as you can get them and as nice as I can afford. Special mention of the Philip & Mary which I technically can't afford but managed to get a great deal on thanks to a good friend in Scotland. Also thanks to @Rexford for help in choosing examples for the set and urging me to buy when It was important to not pass up the opportunity.


1551 - 1553 Shilling Edward VI PCGS AU55


1554 Shilling Philip & Mary PCGS XF45


1560 - 1561 Shilling Elizabeth I PCGS AU55


1623 - 1624 Shilling James I PCGS AU55


1638 - 1639 Shilling Charles I PCGS AU55

I urge anyone here with hammered examples to please share if you'd like in the comments. It's an area I've learned to love after initially struggling through the poor strikes and strange shapes haha.

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Comments

  • Such a great group. I've enjoyed seeing it come together in the last few months!

    How does this work again?

  • ClioClio Posts: 480 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bob13 said:
    Great coins with the Edward VI and Phillip and Mary being my favs.

    Hammered coins.... trying to find everything well centered, sharp strike, color... it's a challenge! Here's one that might fit into your set ;). From 1606 to 1607 S-2655

    I've seen that shilling before from past times when I've snooped around looking at the link in your signature haha. Leave no stone unturned. It's a great example but one of my personal requirements is that I must be able to see the eyeball. I'm collecting these as a representation of the monarch, the portrait must be all there. Gorgeous tone on yours nevetheless.

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  • Bob13Bob13 Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2023 10:00AM

    It's a great example but one of my personal requirements is that I must be able to see the eyeball. I'm collecting these as a representation of the monarch, the portrait must be all there.

    I appreciate your dedication to excellence!

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  • ClioClio Posts: 480 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Nap said:
    Some English shillings-


    Henry VIII

    Great examples but I am especially fond of the testoon while also mad at you for calling it a shilling because I'm trying to pretend it doesn't exist until I can afford it :D

    You have what I would call the expanded set. Testoon is for later, commonwealth doesn't have a monarch and I've chosen a milled Charles II over the hammered issue.

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  • NapNap Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Clio said:

    Great examples but I am especially fond of the testoon while also mad at you for calling it a shilling because I'm trying to pretend it doesn't exist until I can afford it :D

    >

    A Henry VIII shilling, ahem, testoon, in a condition similar to the rest of your collection, would be quite challenging and expensive. They exist but most are debased, worn, porous, etc.

    A Henry VII shilling is even more expensive, and I don’t expect to obtain one.

    I am also missing hammered shillings of Edward VI (fine silver type), Mary and Philip, and James I.

    You have a lovely set.

  • ClioClio Posts: 480 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Nap said:

    @Clio said:

    Great examples but I am especially fond of the testoon while also mad at you for calling it a shilling because I'm trying to pretend it doesn't exist until I can afford it :D

    >

    A Henry VIII shilling, ahem, testoon, in a condition similar to the rest of your collection, would be quite challenging and expensive. They exist but most are debased, worn, porous, etc.

    A Henry VII shilling is even more expensive, and I don’t expect to obtain one.

    I am also missing hammered shillings of Edward VI (fine silver type), Mary and Philip, and James I.

    You have a lovely set.

    Thanks! I think the testoon you've got would be a great fit for my set :) they don't come too much nicer.

    Here's the tyrants example.

    This is a great one that came up at Noonan's. I wish I had the funds to chase it because it went relatively cheap. Something like £6k IIRC. Looks like it's not showing as a comp now so I suppose it didn't reach what the consigner wanted.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,675 ✭✭✭✭✭

    unable to picture the one I own- not the best but I like the flan which is about half the battle

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  • ClioClio Posts: 480 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OnlyGoldIsMoney said:
    A win at Heritage today. PCGS MS 62.

    Great looking coin. Those are an awesome series.

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  • SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,459 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My avatar coin, a 1553 half lion or 22/- from Scotland issued during the reign of Queen Mary of Scotland.

    In memory of my kitty Seryozha 14.2.1996 ~ 13.9.2016 and Shadow 3.4.2015 - 16.4.21
  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another Venice ducat:

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    Venice ducat (no date) - Doge (Duke) Pasquale Cicogna (1585-1595)
    Gold, 20 mm, 3.50 gm, 0.986, corrosion spots from copper or silver deposits

    Obverse:
    St. Mark on the left standing facing right, presenting long scepter to kneeling Doge
    DVX between them
    SM VENET PASC CICON (Sacra Moneta Venetiae, Pascali Ciconia)
    English: "Sacred Money of Venice, Pasquale Cicogna"

    Reverse:
    Christ standing facing, holding Gospels in left hand and raising right hand in benediction,
    within pointed oval figure containing 17 stars.
    SIT T XPE DAT QTV REGIS ISTE DVCAT (Sit tibi, Christe, datus, quem tu regis, iste ducatus)
    English: "O Christ, let this duchy, which you rule, be dedicated to you"

    Pasquale Cicogna is believed to be the "Duke of Venice" in William Shakespeare's play
    The Merchant of Venice which was written between 1596 and 1598.

    :)

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  • OnlyGoldIsMoneyOnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A new pickup - Francois I was the french monarch contemporary to Henry VIII.

  • Congrats on finishing that set. Not an easy thing to do even within the UK!

  • ClioClio Posts: 480 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @flyguyfl said:
    Congrats on finishing that set. Not an easy thing to do even within the UK!

    thanks! I, and my wallet, are very pleased to be finished with it!

    @BillJones said:
    I can live without the shillings. Here is my Henry VIII groat.

    I do love groats and thought if I ever choose to collect before Shillings started I could do groats.

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  • ClioClio Posts: 480 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SaorAlba said:
    My avatar coin, a 1553 half lion or 22/- from Scotland issued during the reign of Queen Mary of Scotland.

    Beautiful piece! Feel like Mary had some exceptional pieces struck during her reign.

    @lordmarcovan said:
    Great hammered stuff here! Here's a couple of my more recent ones from this year.

    Those are both awesome. The first one nearly looks like something someone would come up with if they had to imagine a hammered coin without knowing anything about them haha. Nearly like a kids drawing. Awesome piece. Is something like that expensive?

    @BillJones said:

    The histories of these kings are better than most soap operas.

    This is why I roll my eyes at some modern day gossip when it comes to royals. They have nothing on the old time nasties haha.

    @OnlyGoldIsMoney said:
    New addition to the "one gold or electrum per century" collection - arrived today. Venice, A. Venier doge, 1382-1400.

    I debated the exact same set! I only got 3 coins before realizing I couldn't afford to complete it haha. Do you have a link to it somewhere by chance?

    @WillieBoyd2 said:
    Pasquale Cicogna is believed to be the "Duke of Venice" in William Shakespeare's play
    The Merchant of Venice which was written between 1596 and 1598.

    :)

    that's a pretty cool historical tie in. Love the background history like that.

    @Eddi said:
    My small collection of late mediaeval goldgulden. Also, a Rose Noble and a French Ecu d"or.

    wow that's a lovely group. I often see nobles up for auction and wonder what they are like to handle in hand. Strange seeing large gold that thin.

    @Bailathacl said:
    This arrived yesterday, my first English hammered gold coin. Edward III 1/4 Noble, PCGS AU 53, Tower (London) mint, struck 1361-69, Spink 1510.

    great looking piece!

    @Nap said:

    @Clio said:
    I do love groats and thought if I ever choose to collect before Shillings started I could do groats.

    Groats are my go to denomination for the pre-shilling monarchs-

    Those are awesome. Any that are just exorbitant prices? Curious how doable a set would be. The Henry VI has really lovely patina. Charles I is great design. Reminds me of a circus poster or something haha.

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Clio said:
    Those are both awesome. The first one nearly looks like something someone would come up with if they had to imagine a hammered coin without knowing anything about them haha. Nearly like a kids drawing. Awesome piece. Is something like that expensive?

    The Augsburg bracteate in MS64 cost me $600.


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    France Besançon 1543 Carolus

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  • OnlyGoldIsMoneyOnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bailathacl said:
    This arrived yesterday, my first English hammered gold coin. Edward III 1/4 Noble, PCGS AU 53, Tower (London) mint, struck 1361-69, Spink 1510.

    Great coin Bailathaci, I added a similar 1/4 Noble in September. I am thinking of trying to add one per Monarch for the full duration that Nobles were minted.

  • ClioClio Posts: 480 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OnlyGoldIsMoney said:
    Newp at Heritage for the "1 Per Century" set.

    Outstanding example. Love it.

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  • robp2robp2 Posts: 141 ✭✭✭✭

    Lets have a few tiddlers starting with some of 8mm diameter. The level of craftsmanship is commendable considering they were mostly made 2000 years ago.
    A Commonwealth halfpenny, the last hammered example of this denomination, struck prior to the Restoration of the Monarchy in 1660.

    An Epaticcus Boar's Head unit. Brilliant engraving to make such an accurate representation.

    Coming in at 9mm is this Eppilus quarter stater.

    A similarly sized fractional unit of the Corieltauvi

    This geometric unit of the Durotriges is slightly larger at 9-10mm

    Lastly, a couple at 10mm diameter. First a Verica quarter stater.

    And finally a Gallo-Belgic geometric quarter stater.

  • EddiEddi Posts: 439 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I really like this tiny little Elizabeth I penny. The legend is a bit difficult to read, but the bust is beautifully struck.

  • ClioClio Posts: 480 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @robp2 said:
    Lets have a few tiddlers starting with some of 8mm diameter. The level of craftsmanship is commendable considering they were mostly made 2000 years ago.

    Those staters are really some of my favorite coins. I'd love to own one but the small ones are a bit much for me. Or a bit too little.

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  • EddiEddi Posts: 439 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tibor said:

    This piece is an upgrade. (14)93 Frankfurt

    Another upgrade. 1495 Frankfurt

    This is new piece. 1497 Frankfurt
    These are auction wins from the Sept. Kunker sale.

    Those are some very nice Frankfurt Goldgulden @Tibor. Congratulations.

    I live just outside of Frankfurt - ancient city with a 2000 year history.

  • TiborTibor Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When ever my family travels to Hungary, the layover was the Frankfurt airport. I like how a truck escorts the plane to the gate.

  • robp2robp2 Posts: 141 ✭✭✭✭

    A 1644 Oxford groat with signed bust by Rawlins. The other one is in the BM.

    A Henry VIII 'Sovereign' penny with mm. Crescent, struck at Durham ecclesiastical mint under Thomas Wolsey - see cardinal's hat on the reverse which is seen on all Wolsey issues

    An Iceni SAENU unit.

    Elizabeth I 1601 pattern 'Pledge' halfpenny.

    A Burgred (852-874) penny

  • NapNap Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here are some hammered British coins from various eras:


    Anglo-Saxon gold thrymsa “Wuneetton” type


    Anglo-Saxon sceat, series K type 33


    Northumbrian sceat/styca, Aelfwald (II)?


    Anglo-Saxon early penny, Ecgberht II of Kent


    Anglo-Saxon “middle period” penny, Coenwulf of Mercia


    Anglo-Viking penny, St. Peter of York type (swordless)


    Anglo-Saxon “late period” penny, Harold I “Harefoot”


    Norman England, Henry I penny


    Plantagenet England, king John penny


    Medieval Scotland, Robert the Bruce sterling


    Hiberno-Norse Ireland, phase IV, temp. Murchad mac Diarmata penny


    Ireland under English rule, Henry VII groat

  • ClioClio Posts: 480 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @robp2 said:
    Elizabeth I 1601 pattern 'Pledge' halfpenny.

    Love this! Design looks like a modern commemorating a vintage coin. Very cool.

    @Nap said:
    Here are some hammered British coins from various eras:


    Anglo-Saxon gold thrymsa “Wuneetton” type

    Any chance you could give a bit more info on this one. Really interesting looking. What is "Wuneetton"?

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  • NapNap Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Clio said:
    Any chance you could give a bit more info on this one. Really interesting looking. What is "Wuneetton"?

    I'll eventually do a detailed post on this, but the current accepted interpretation is that the coin is a somewhat garbled imitation of "Witmen Monita", an inscription that appears on other similar coins.

    However, I do not believe this is correct and rather the legend is an imitation of a contemporary Frankish coin. I'll put that into a short article eventually

  • robp2robp2 Posts: 141 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 18, 2023 3:16PM

    A few more.
    A James I second bust penny with mintmark thistle

    A siliqua of Constantius II from the Sirmium mint

    William I sword type penny of Dorchester. Unique with the small crosses by the neck. Another variant has a large cross filling most of the field (2 known)

    Eadgar 2-line penny. The moneyer is ADELAVER.

    Charles I Civil War halfcrown from an uncertain mint somewhere in the Welsh Marches. Based on other die pairings with associated dies, it was probably struck during the period a month either side of Christmas 1643, but where is not currently established.

  • tcollectstcollects Posts: 737 ✭✭✭✭

    this is a great thread, really enjoying the coins posted

  • robp2robp2 Posts: 141 ✭✭✭✭

    A Henry III cut farthing to provide small change

    And a Henry III cut halfpenny for the same purpose.

    A Charles I type 5 halfcrown with mintmark Sun

    Charles I G1/2 shilling with mintmark Triangle

    A Henry VIII halfpenny struck at the York episcopal mint under Archbishop Edward Lee (1531-44)

    And the Canterbury equivalent. This a Henry VIII halfpenny struck at the episcopal mint under Archbishop William Warham

  • TiborTibor Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭✭✭


    This is an Obol struck in the Es Safar year 1204. Date in Roman numerals. The
    Es Safar calendar was started by Augustus Caesar in 38 B.C. 1204 Es Safar
    would be 1166 A.D. by the calendars we use today. The Es Safar calendar mostly
    disappeared the 1300's. This coin and the following were issued to commemorate
    Alfonso VIII to the throne in that region of Spain. The Julian calendar started by
    Julius Caesar took effect 45 B.C. I haven't been able to find out why Augustus
    introduced a different calendar.

    This is a Denaro. Both coins were struck by Alfonso VIII in the city of Toleto (Toledo).

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