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If anyone collects Mexican war of Independence coins, a major rarity is coming. This one sadly, is not for me...

https://auctions.goldbergcoins.com/m/lot-details/index/catalog/107/lot/13700

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,809 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,263 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love this coin! And there is a nicer one out there.

    I too have one somewhere (unslabbed because I didn't think PCGS could handle it).
    Maybe it's time?

    Let me find it and shoot a cell phone photo.

  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,263 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2023 7:36PM

    Mine is an 1813 and a different type (KM-215.2). It's also not AU. But it was purported to be the finest of its type.

    The 1811 Goldberg/Millennia coin is KM-207.


    Edited to add: Now I'm looking at the NGC Census and I see there is a VF, 45, and 55. So I guess mine isn't the finest after all.

  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 1,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pruebas never disappoints.

  • Wow pruebas! That is an amazing coin and would be a highlight of any WFI collection!

    Abuelo, thanks for sharing about the Zitacuaro piece. Will be interesting to follow. Not sure I agree with the auction description that the use of "FERD VII" was appeasement, as both sides fought in the name of the king, correct? Also, didn't the half grano of 1769 show the eagle/cactus symbology first?

  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 1,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @threefifty Morelos was the first revolutionary leader to really contemplate independence from Spain. Before him they were asking for lots of things but under the auspices f the king.. About the 1769 grano... that coin is a bit of a mystery. Yes, it does have a bird, perhaps is an eagle. But it is not standing on a cactus and I do not think was used under the same symbolism.

  • Thank you, Abuelo!

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,809 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pruebas , would this coin have come to your attention had @Abuelo not posted it?

  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,500 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So, are we not going to talk about this being a struck 1811 example?

  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 1,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm afraid I'll say something wrong @TwoKopeiki

  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2023 5:30PM

    @Abuelo said:
    I'm afraid I'll say something wrong @TwoKopeiki

    Nevermind, found Max Keech's March 2012 USMEX article that analyzes the struck 1811 coins. Fascinating period in numismatics.

  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,263 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2023 9:59PM

    @TwoKopeiki said:

    @Abuelo said:
    I'm afraid I'll say something wrong @TwoKopeiki

    Nevermind, found Max Keech's March 2012 USMEX article that analyzes the struck 1811 coins. Fascinating period in numismatics.

    Here is the video of his presentation from October 2012:
    https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/560412

    The Grano image vs the Zitacuaro image.

    Other images are in the video. Many pre-1769 procs with the eagle-like bird with or without snake.


  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,263 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For posterity, the W4I coin in the OP sold this week for $170k hammer (+20%).

    Its prior sale was Millennia in May 2008 for $55k hammer (+15%).

    Not a bad return on investment!

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 13,812 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pruebas said:
    For posterity, the W4I coin in the OP sold this week for $170k hammer (+20%).

    Its prior sale was Millennia in May 2008 for $55k hammer (+15%).

    Not a bad return on investment!

    Wowee !

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 1,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pruebas said:
    For posterity, the W4I coin in the OP sold this week for $170k hammer (+20%).

    Its prior sale was Millennia in May 2008 for $55k hammer (+15%).

    Not a bad return on investment!

    Indeed. Crazy. If I get that return on all my coins my grandchildren will be set for life 😂😂

  • Are there any WOI coins that AREN'T worth 3x what they were in 2008??

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,809 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 8, 2023 4:35AM
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