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The Honorable Carter H. Harrison Memorial Medal So-Called Dollar SCD HK-765

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Doesn't look cleaned to me. Nice medal. B)

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,074 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well the rev does show mottled discoloration which might account for a dip. The rev die cracks are very interesting. He had an interesting life and death in politics. Peace Roy

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  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,739 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks to those who replied and …..
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  • tokenprotokenpro Posts: 884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cleaned - the issue color was a darker chocolate tinged brown with some minor lightness variations -- the issue was large so several production runs were probably made.

  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,739 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tokenpro said:
    Cleaned - the issue color was a darker chocolate tinged brown with some minor lightness variations -- the issue was large so several production runs were probably made.

    . Thank you. I’m using different pics for a definitive answer. But I think I will agree.
    Give me you thoughts one more time please. And anyone else too.
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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like an old cleaning and has since retoned. I like the die breaks on the reverse!

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think anyone knows the full history of this medal but I consider the toning to be MA or market acceptable. I think it's a very attractive medal.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,260 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To say for sure would require a view of a piece that has the original, intended “skin.” Medals can have different surface colors depending upon the process that was applied to the finished piece.

    I have two Depression era Franklin Roosevelt political medals. One has the rich mahogany finish that one sees on 19 century U.S. mint medals. The other is bright and brassy. I’ll post pictures later. Neither has been messed with.

    Thar said my experience tells me that the multiple colors on this piece are an indication that the piece has been worked on in some way. I don’t think those colors were planned by the company that made the piece.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would guess that it was cleaned long ago but has since retoned. It would be acceptable to many collectors.

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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dipped and retoned.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,260 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here are two FDR medals, same design, with completely different finishes.

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  • tokenprotokenpro Posts: 884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My thoughts on the OP Harrison medal are the same even after the new images. The reverse indicates a late die state with the seven + die cracks and may be well on the way to a major die chip. As mentioned, many of these were struck serving as "receipts" for campaign donations so there may have been multiple dies in use.

    After a quick search I found this damaged example in my images of past sales. It has scratches and verdigris in the lettering but the surfaces give a fair depiction of the lighter end of the color spectrum that I've typically seen on this issue; many have a slightly darker chocolate shade to them.


    Regarding the FDR medals imaged above, both Chicago die sinkers Childs and Greenduck struck many medals in multiple finishes, often doing the same piece in bright and matte brass, bronze, copper nickel, nickel plated brass and sometimes silver. This is different from the Carter Harrison medals which were struck in one finish with just some shade variations.

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