@NewEnglandRarities said:
You said a lot here. What is the issue. You said UNDAMAGED in capital letters. What are you actually asking , about the fitting in boxes? Well, PCGS slabs fit into PCGS boxes. Why would it matter otherwise??
With regards to pictures, maybe contact CACG to ask that. Just a thought??
No issue. The slab arrived in a small bubble pack envelope and could easily have gotten broken in transit. I had no idea it was coming. I tried putting into a PCGS box and it won't fit so I was just letting folks know. I didn't ask if they fit, I stated that they don't fit which means that I already know. Other TPG slabs do fit so there's that. Convenience of storage is all unless CAC boxes are already out there.
Yeah, I know I could ask at CAC, but just as easy to ask here.
Looks like if you were/are a submitter you get a free sample slab.
Um yea, one thing- you're not got break that slab, ever. Go ahead and try it.
@Cougar1978 said:
For sure - a seller would not want the hassle of a return on that either. Sadly there are people who are going to get ripped on something like that. After they have had their Monday morning coffee expect a flood of returns. One real farce I have seen in here is posters projecting how high they will supposedly go like it’s some legit investment.
Excuse me? I don't recall ever touting sample slabs as an investment, and yes I was predicting how high they would go. In fact, I agreed with you a short time ago when you said how ridiculous it was. What did we say about reading other comments before you opine?
Lighten up and give the poor guy a break. There’s no forum rule requiring that his comments be informed ones or that they have any factual basis.
The bean is the sticker symbol to indicate solid quality. That is the brand that the market recognizes.
Details coins are not solid quality.
Two different things as will be perceived in the marketplace.
Obviously they will still be respected if they include, but it would be less confusing regarding details coins if they left it off IMO..
Perhaps CACG could show a brown CAC sticker on their slabs for details graded coins.
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@UpGrayedd said:
I was merely making a suggestion to help alleviate confusion for details coins. With that said, I doubt JA will care what I or others think in this regard.
This email was just sent out by CAC:
_CAC Grading in Virginia Beach will be allowing certain “details” coins to be added to our soon-to-be-released registry. The registry value we had listed on the labels throughout our soft launch will no longer be placed on the physical label. We found that this created a bit of confusion and many members of our community were speculating that CAC Grading was “net grading” coins or confirming the value of coins at a lower grade. This was not the case and we wish to clarify our stance on this issue.
We will still give credit for certain “details” coins on our registry. This information will now be available by scanning the code on the label’s reverse so that the collectors who are interested in the registry grade can find it, but it will no longer take up any space on the physical label.
It is our position that certain “details” coins are very much collectable and should receive some credit in our registry. This is especially true for early US coinage as many have been lightly cleaned long ago._
Mine just got here! It’s nice to have a physical example in hand to compare with PCGS. Now have to decide if I’ll cross anything over. I only have a handful of decently valuable raw coins.
Looks like there will be a small group of "Reg" graded CACG details slabs.
Each one of these appears to have been sold to YN attendees of Witter Coin U. There is one evident exception of essay coin #2, which was not in that batch.
@FlyingAl said:
Looks like there will be a small group of "Reg" graded CACG details slabs.
Each one of these appears to have been sold to YN attendees of Witter Coin U. There is one evident exception of essay coin #2, which was not in that batch.
There are going to be a lot more coins that get details graded by CAC, would be my guess. Lots of things with old cleanings that would straight grade with PCGS or NGC will end up this way. It’s kinda fair given CACGs tighter standards.
@FlyingAl said:
Looks like there will be a small group of "Reg" graded CACG details slabs.
Each one of these appears to have been sold to YN attendees of Witter Coin U. There is one evident exception of essay coin #2, which was not in that batch.
There are going to be a lot more coins that get details graded by CAC, would be my guess. Lots of things with old cleanings that would straight grade with PCGS or NGC will end up this way. It’s kinda fair given CACGs tighter standards.
Yes, except that all of those will not have the registry grade on the label.
@FlyingAl said:
Looks like there will be a small group of "Reg" graded CACG details slabs.
Each one of these appears to have been sold to YN attendees of Witter Coin U. There is one evident exception of essay coin #2, which was not in that batch.
There are going to be a lot more coins that get details graded by CAC, would be my guess. Lots of things with old cleanings that would straight grade with PCGS or NGC will end up this way. It’s kinda fair given CACGs tighter standards.
I think what Al is talking about is the initial Details slab. These first slabs with Detailed coins had a Cert that will be changed so as not to show the Registry value. This will make these slabs (for slab collectors) rather rare, since all Detail slabs in the future won’t have the Reg. Value included on the Cert.
@FlyingAl said:
Looks like there will be a small group of "Reg" graded CACG details slabs.
Each one of these appears to have been sold to YN attendees of Witter Coin U. There is one evident exception of essay coin #2, which was not in that batch.
There are going to be a lot more coins that get details graded by CAC, would be my guess. Lots of things with old cleanings that would straight grade with PCGS or NGC will end up this way. It’s kinda fair given CACGs tighter standards.
I think what Al is talking about is the initial Details slab. These first slabs with Detailed coins had a Cert that will be changed so as not to show the Registry value. This will make these slabs (for slab collectors) rather rare, since all Detail slabs in the future won’t have the Reg. Value included on the Cert.
Makes sense. I kind I’d like the registry points on the details slab, though. I hate that I know several of my early 19th century straight graded pieces would probably end up in CAC details slabs, though.
Does this mean that even details graded coins will now wear the effigy of the majestic green bean? It sounds like a great way to dilute the brand with dreck. It is now not materially different than all the “other services.” I can’t wait to read the next “Hot Topics.”
It also seems odd to claim that you only put “A” or “B” coins for the interval in a holder and then allow details grading. Are they really meaning to imply that the XF details quarter is equal to a solid VF 20? Has CAC the sticker company tolerated netgrading of the sort by grading services (albeit silently) in the past?
@cameonut2011 said:
Does this mean that even details graded coins will now wear the effigy of the majestic green bean? It sounds like a great way to dilute the brand with dreck. It is now not materially different than all the “other services.” I can’t wait to read the next “Hot Topics.”
In answer to your question, no - details-grade coins will not be stickered.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@cameonut2011 said:
It also seems odd to claim that you only put “A” or “B” coins for the interval in a holder and then allow details grading. Are they really meaning to imply that the XF details quarter is equal to a solid VF 20? Has CAC the sticker company tolerated netgrading of the sort by grading services (albeit silently) in the past?
There's no such implication. While it might not be the case, your recent posts give me the impression that you're trying to create drama, by making something out of nothing.
Edited to add: If the above is just a misunderstanding or confusion on your part, I apologize.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@cameonut2011 said:
It also seems odd to claim that you only put “A” or “B” coins for the interval in a holder and then allow details grading. Are they really meaning to imply that the XF details quarter is equal to a solid VF 20? Has CAC the sticker company tolerated netgrading of the sort by grading services (albeit silently) in the past?
There's no such implication. While it might not be the case, your recent posts give me the impression that you're trying to create drama, by making something out of nothing.
The post you quote is literally a response to early CACG threads where there was a discussion that only “A” and “B” coins would be assigned to a grading interval and that 65C St. Gaudens or Morgan Dollars for instance would be assigned a grade of MS64. That would seemingly imply that CAC is treating details graded coins as solid as the netgrade and the pieces are treated as such in the registry. That seems odd, making me question whether the contention in the earlier threads is indeed correct. Unfortunately transparency in policy and standards is not a hallmark of CAC and a lot of confusion could be clarified and preemptively address questions like this.
Edited: To clarify I meant 65C where I initially wrote 65-.
@cameonut2011 said:
It also seems odd to claim that you only put “A” or “B” coins for the interval in a holder and then allow details grading. Are they really meaning to imply that the XF details quarter is equal to a solid VF 20? Has CAC the sticker company tolerated netgrading of the sort by grading services (albeit silently) in the past?
There's no such implication. While it might not be the case, your recent posts give me the impression that you're trying to create drama, by making something out of nothing.
The post you quote is literally a response to early CACG threads where there was a discussion that only “A” and “B” coins would be assigned to a grading interval and that 65C St. Gaudens or Morgan Dollars for instance would be assigned a grade of MS64. That would seemingly imply that CAC is treating details graded coins as solid as the netgrade and the pieces are treated as such in the registry. That seems odd, making me question whether the contention in the earlier threads is indeed correct. Unfortunately transparency in policy and standards is not a hallmark of CAC and a lot of confusion could be clarified and preemptively address questions like this.
Edited: To clarify I meant 65C where I initially wrote 65-.
'C" coins aren't the same as details-grade (problem) coins - they are low end, straight-grade examples, which CAC has made efforts to reject for stickering.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@cameonut2011 said:
Does this mean that even details graded coins will now wear the effigy of the majestic green bean? It sounds like a great way to dilute the brand with dreck. It is now not materially different than all the “other services.” I can’t wait to read the next “Hot Topics.”
In answer to your question, no - details-grade coins will not be stickered.
If I understand correctly what’s being discussed on the CAC forum every CACG coin including details ones will have the green CAC logo on the label. The green logo is part of the label and is not added to the holder.
@cameonut2011 said:
Does this mean that even details graded coins will now wear the effigy of the majestic green bean? It sounds like a great way to dilute the brand with dreck. It is now not materially different than all the “other services.” I can’t wait to read the next “Hot Topics.”
In answer to your question, no - details-grade coins will not be stickered.
If I understand correctly what’s being discussed on the CAC forum every CACG coin including details ones will have the green CAC logo on the label. The green logo is part of the label and is not added to the holder.
Correct.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I was a bit surprised to find in my PO Box today a package from Virginia with a sample slab. I thought it’s been over a year since I submitted anything to CAC. Pretty neat.
I did wonder a bit about CACG using a similar 4 digit coin number and cert number layout with barcode as our hosts. So the coin number on the sample is 5796 which at PCGS is silver Washington quarter. I tried using the cert verification app to scan barcode but it came up invalid. I’ll try again tomorrow with CoinFacts app since that one also scans NGC barcodes.
It would be weird if at some point when CACG gets a large number of coins graded if they would have barcodes that would pull up as different PCGS coins because of the similar layout.
@bigjpst said:
I was a bit surprised to find in my PO Box today a package from Virginia with a sample slab. I thought it’s been over a year since I submitted anything to CAC. Pretty neat.
I did wonder a bit about CACG using a similar 4 digit coin number and cert number layout with barcode as our hosts. So the coin number on the sample is 5796 which at PCGS is silver Washington quarter. I tried using the cert verification app to scan barcode but it came up invalid. I’ll try again tomorrow with CoinFacts app since that one also scans NGC barcodes.
It would be weird if at some point when CACG gets a large number of coins graded if they would have barcodes that would pull up as different PCGS coins because of the similar layout.
The bar code is simply a number. It doesn't "pull up" anything unless it's used as part of a database query by some app, such as the PCGS cert verification app. The QR code is what should have an URL encoded in it, but that will go directly to CAC's website, and presumably the cert verification page.
I scanned the picture of the 1853 quarter with the PCGS cert app and revealed that the app uses the last 8 digits of the number as the serial number (87543797) to look up, showing a Chinese 1914 Fat Man dollar in XF45. I would say this is a bug in the PCGS app, since it doesn't verify the rest of the bar code makes sense before presenting the result of its look-up.
New grading service that provides better customer service.
Innovative new holder
Holder has better clarity.
Holder will fit larger coins.
Holder stacks better.
Innovative way if integrating the company logo inside the holder.
All of these things aid the hobby and or collectors.
Am astounded what players asking / will pay for the 80c coins in the sample slabs rofl.
As far as their small pop of other stuff on eBay - from what looked at not even remotely a deal for me. Many above CAC CPG. I probably wb (bid,offer off bourse) at about 70 pct CF (item needed for inventory) if could win at auction or walkup seller at show. Lunch Friday w 2 other friends in the biz Jimmy same but Frankie lower.
@shish said:
I disagree, below are the reasons I'm aware of.
New grading service that provides better customer service.
We don't know this yet. Once they're running at the volume of the other grading services, comparing customer service will be possible.
Innovative new holder
The main innovation with regard to the holder seems to be indestructibility. Everything else different about it is simply an adjustment to designs of existing holders to overcome a few shortcomings.
Holder has better clarity.
So it seems now, but this will be determined over time as they age and are thrown around the bourse and crammed in double row boxes. A brand new ICG slab also has good clarity until you set it down and look at it wrong, then it's full of scuffs. It doesn't seem that the CACG holders will have this problem. There are a couple actual innovations they missed, which I discussed with a couple investors.
Holder will fit larger coins.
This will be nice once they start doing world coins. Lots of 17th century thalers need either oversized or "double stuf" holders when sent to our hosts because they barely don't fit. One of the aesthetic consequences of this is that the holder doesn't frame the coin the same way a PCGS holder does.
Holder stacks better.
They do stack like Legos, but the sharp edges on the back also feel like Legos when you're holding one. A very slight chamfered or filleted edge would take care of that.
Innovative way if integrating the company logo inside the holder.
By printing it on the label. Yeah, not innovative, just found a place to print the logo.
@bigjpst said:
I was a bit surprised to find in my PO Box today a package from Virginia with a sample slab. I thought it’s been over a year since I submitted anything to CAC. Pretty neat.
I did wonder a bit about CACG using a similar 4 digit coin number and cert number layout with barcode as our hosts. So the coin number on the sample is 5796 which at PCGS is silver Washington quarter. I tried using the cert verification app to scan barcode but it came up invalid. I’ll try again tomorrow with CoinFacts app since that one also scans NGC barcodes.
It would be weird if at some point when CACG gets a large number of coins graded if they would have barcodes that would pull up as different PCGS coins because of the similar layout.
The bar code is simply a number. It doesn't "pull up" anything unless it's used as part of a database query by some app, such as the PCGS cert verification app. The QR code is what should have an URL encoded in it, but that will go directly to CAC's website, and presumably the cert verification page.
I scanned the picture of the 1853 quarter with the PCGS cert app and revealed that the app uses the last 8 digits of the number as the serial number (87543797) to look up, showing a Chinese 1914 Fat Man dollar in XF45. I would say this is a bug in the PCGS app, since it doesn't verify the rest of the bar code makes sense before presenting the result of its look-up.
Of course when I was talking to the bar code “pulling up” a different coin I was referring to it being queried by the PCGS app because of the similarities in coin numbers.
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Do they open nice with one of those end cutting plier type of tool?
I expect a 64 C coin will grade as a 63 A or B.
free swag is always nice, affordable swag is nice.
Could we add one?
That’s exactly why my favorite combination is PCGS or NGC with the CAC sticker because you have both parties confirming the same coin versus just one…
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I will still accept any of the holders without any kind of secondary opinion, if I like the coin, however…
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The bean is the sticker symbol to indicate solid quality. That is the brand that the market recognizes.
Details coins are not solid quality.
Two different things as will be perceived in the marketplace.
Obviously they will still be respected if they include, but it would be less confusing regarding details coins if they left it off IMO..
Perhaps CACG could show a brown CAC sticker on their slabs for details graded coins.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Thanks Mark. As far as his posts blocked him. So if his stuff somehow required reading lol not to worry. Had one slot left.
This email was just sent out by CAC:
_CAC Grading in Virginia Beach will be allowing certain “details” coins to be added to our soon-to-be-released registry. The registry value we had listed on the labels throughout our soft launch will no longer be placed on the physical label. We found that this created a bit of confusion and many members of our community were speculating that CAC Grading was “net grading” coins or confirming the value of coins at a lower grade. This was not the case and we wish to clarify our stance on this issue.
We will still give credit for certain “details” coins on our registry. This information will now be available by scanning the code on the label’s reverse so that the collectors who are interested in the registry grade can find it, but it will no longer take up any space on the physical label.
It is our position that certain “details” coins are very much collectable and should receive some credit in our registry. This is especially true for early US coinage as many have been lightly cleaned long ago._
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
I've been active in the last year, but haven't received one yet
Mine just got here! It’s nice to have a physical example in hand to compare with PCGS. Now have to decide if I’ll cross anything over. I only have a handful of decently valuable raw coins.
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Looks like there will be a small group of "Reg" graded CACG details slabs.
Each one of these appears to have been sold to YN attendees of Witter Coin U. There is one evident exception of essay coin #2, which was not in that batch.
Coin Photographer.
There are going to be a lot more coins that get details graded by CAC, would be my guess. Lots of things with old cleanings that would straight grade with PCGS or NGC will end up this way. It’s kinda fair given CACGs tighter standards.
Yes, except that all of those will not have the registry grade on the label.
Coin Photographer.
I think what Al is talking about is the initial Details slab. These first slabs with Detailed coins had a Cert that will be changed so as not to show the Registry value. This will make these slabs (for slab collectors) rather rare, since all Detail slabs in the future won’t have the Reg. Value included on the Cert.
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BTW the label does bear some resemblance to the doily label.
It should also be shaped like a chocolate swirl…
I must say I am liking the optics of the new holder. I imagine this will help with coin photography.
Makes sense. I kind I’d like the registry points on the details slab, though. I hate that I know several of my early 19th century straight graded pieces would probably end up in CAC details slabs, though.
Does this mean that even details graded coins will now wear the effigy of the majestic green bean? It sounds like a great way to dilute the brand with dreck. It is now not materially different than all the “other services.” I can’t wait to read the next “Hot Topics.”
It also seems odd to claim that you only put “A” or “B” coins for the interval in a holder and then allow details grading. Are they really meaning to imply that the XF details quarter is equal to a solid VF 20? Has CAC the sticker company tolerated netgrading of the sort by grading services (albeit silently) in the past?
In answer to your question, no - details-grade coins will not be stickered.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
There's no such implication. While it might not be the case, your recent posts give me the impression that you're trying to create drama, by making something out of nothing.
Edited to add: If the above is just a misunderstanding or confusion on your part, I apologize.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
The post you quote is literally a response to early CACG threads where there was a discussion that only “A” and “B” coins would be assigned to a grading interval and that 65C St. Gaudens or Morgan Dollars for instance would be assigned a grade of MS64. That would seemingly imply that CAC is treating details graded coins as solid as the netgrade and the pieces are treated as such in the registry. That seems odd, making me question whether the contention in the earlier threads is indeed correct. Unfortunately transparency in policy and standards is not a hallmark of CAC and a lot of confusion could be clarified and preemptively address questions like this.
Edited: To clarify I meant 65C where I initially wrote 65-.
'C" coins aren't the same as details-grade (problem) coins - they are low end, straight-grade examples, which CAC has made efforts to reject for stickering.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Is this going to be exclusive to CAC members only ? Seems like a closed loop once JA got enough of you to play in his oval.
If I understand correctly what’s being discussed on the CAC forum every CACG coin including details ones will have the green CAC logo on the label. The green logo is part of the label and is not added to the holder.
Correct.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
My last submission was 11 months ago. Perhaps I may receive a sample as well. I need to submit another batch for consideration.
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I was a bit surprised to find in my PO Box today a package from Virginia with a sample slab. I thought it’s been over a year since I submitted anything to CAC. Pretty neat.
I did wonder a bit about CACG using a similar 4 digit coin number and cert number layout with barcode as our hosts. So the coin number on the sample is 5796 which at PCGS is silver Washington quarter. I tried using the cert verification app to scan barcode but it came up invalid. I’ll try again tomorrow with CoinFacts app since that one also scans NGC barcodes.
It would be weird if at some point when CACG gets a large number of coins graded if they would have barcodes that would pull up as different PCGS coins because of the similar layout.
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The bar code is simply a number. It doesn't "pull up" anything unless it's used as part of a database query by some app, such as the PCGS cert verification app. The QR code is what should have an URL encoded in it, but that will go directly to CAC's website, and presumably the cert verification page.
I scanned the picture of the 1853 quarter with the PCGS cert app and revealed that the app uses the last 8 digits of the number as the serial number (87543797) to look up, showing a Chinese 1914 Fat Man dollar in XF45. I would say this is a bug in the PCGS app, since it doesn't verify the rest of the bar code makes sense before presenting the result of its look-up.
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I received my CAC Sample today, 2000-P Virginia Quarter, like most, but its a great start for the month!
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So....nothing new, nothing innovative, nothing creative, nothing to aid the hobby or collectors. Same 'ol same 'ol.Yawn!
I disagree, below are the reasons I'm aware of.
New grading service that provides better customer service.
Innovative new holder
Holder has better clarity.
Holder will fit larger coins.
Holder stacks better.
Innovative way if integrating the company logo inside the holder.
All of these things aid the hobby and or collectors.
Innovative? Take it over there.
Am astounded what players asking / will pay for the 80c coins in the sample slabs rofl.
As far as their small pop of other stuff on eBay - from what looked at not even remotely a deal for me. Many above CAC CPG. I probably wb (bid,offer off bourse) at about 70 pct CF (item needed for inventory) if could win at auction or walkup seller at show. Lunch Friday w 2 other friends in the biz Jimmy same but Frankie lower.
We don't know this yet. Once they're running at the volume of the other grading services, comparing customer service will be possible.
The main innovation with regard to the holder seems to be indestructibility. Everything else different about it is simply an adjustment to designs of existing holders to overcome a few shortcomings.
So it seems now, but this will be determined over time as they age and are thrown around the bourse and crammed in double row boxes. A brand new ICG slab also has good clarity until you set it down and look at it wrong, then it's full of scuffs. It doesn't seem that the CACG holders will have this problem. There are a couple actual innovations they missed, which I discussed with a couple investors.
This will be nice once they start doing world coins. Lots of 17th century thalers need either oversized or "double stuf" holders when sent to our hosts because they barely don't fit. One of the aesthetic consequences of this is that the holder doesn't frame the coin the same way a PCGS holder does.
They do stack like Legos, but the sharp edges on the back also feel like Legos when you're holding one. A very slight chamfered or filleted edge would take care of that.
By printing it on the label. Yeah, not innovative, just found a place to print the logo.
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Of course when I was talking to the bar code “pulling up” a different coin I was referring to it being queried by the PCGS app because of the similarities in coin numbers.
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Prices are dropping like a rock for the state quarter cac slabs so sold mine for sixty bucks.
$60 would more than buy a nice PCGS ASE MS70 off eBay.
Wonder how many buried in those sample slabs with $60 or more in them.