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2015 W Native American Enhanced $1 Double Stars on Edge!

beem2000beem2000 Posts: 20
edited July 31, 2023 9:40AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I have a question for the experts. Why PCGS doesn't want to recognize this coin as Double Edge Lettering? Thanks for the opinions!

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,801 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There are many, many errors that PCGS does not recognize. But, saying that, have you asked them? What did they say?
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  • They did not answer anything, but in 2019 at the show in long beach, they recognized my first coin like DEL

  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin edge appears to only have 1 star that is extra. Is there a second date (2015) on the edge? I would call this either a dropped letter/star, or a partial doubling (if indeed it is not a dropped letter).

    Doubled edge lettering should be reserved and used only for coins with a full 2nd set of edge lettering.

    PCGS is correct in trying to not over amplify this minor error.

  • @1madman said:
    The coin edge appears to only have 1 star that is extra. Is there a second date (2015) on the edge? I would call this either a dropped letter/star, or a partial doubling (if indeed it is not a dropped letter).

    Doubled edge lettering should be reserved and used only for coins with a full 2nd set of edge lettering.

    PCGS is correct in trying to not over amplify this minor error.

    PCGS Lingo for 'D'
    Double Edge Lettering-Inverted
    Is normally a coin sent through the edge lettering device a second time with one set of lettering upside down. It also includes doubling of any design element due to slippage of the edge lettering device, such as a P mintmark over the 9 of the date.

  • @1madman said:
    The coin edge appears to only have 1 star that is extra. Is there a second date (2015) on the edge? I would call this either a dropped letter/star, or a partial doubling (if indeed it is not a dropped letter).

    Doubled edge lettering should be reserved and used only for coins with a full 2nd set of edge lettering.

    PCGS is correct in trying to not over amplify this minor error.

    The coin has only one double star:

  • beem2000beem2000 Posts: 20
    edited July 31, 2023 2:39PM

    @ricko said:
    Could you post pictures of the edge of each coin? More likely to get an answer that way. Cheers, RickO

    Picture of a double star coin recognized as DEL

    Unfortunately, I don't have a picture for ANACS coin, but it's the same

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That looks significant enough to be recognized by the major TPG's.Maybe not as double edge lettering but as a doubled star edge or something like that.

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  • @gumby1234 said:
    That looks significant enough to be recognized by the major TPG's.Maybe not as double edge lettering but as a doubled star edge or something like that.

    The fact is that according to the rules of pcgs, even if one element is double on the edge, this is double edge lettering.

    Double Edge Lettering-Overlap
    Is normally a coin sent through the edge lettering device a second time with the lettering in the same direction. It also includes doubling of any design element due to slippage of the edge lettering device, such as a P mintmark over the 9 of the date.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am confused. You say PCGS does not want to recognize the coin as DEL, but then you post a photo of one slabbed by PCGS as a DEL.

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  • @gumby1234 said:
    I am confused. You say PCGS does not want to recognize the coin as DEL, but then you post a photo of one slabbed by PCGS as a DEL.

    I found two coins with double stars. One of them was recognized PCGS as DEL, they do not recognize the second coin but ANACS recognized double stars on edge.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Are they both the same exact variety on the coin or different?

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  • @gumby1234 said:
    Are they both the same exact variety on the coin or different?

    Absolutely the same.

  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    imo, PCGS should not have labeled the 1 coin as doubled edge lettering. That definition is not accurate for this coin, sorry.

  • @1madman said:
    imo, PCGS should not have labeled the 1 coin as doubled edge lettering. That definition is not accurate for this coin, sorry.

    Of all the "Presidential Dollar" and "Native American" coins of recognized as DEL only the 2007-P John Adams has a fully double edge. All other DEL coins have only one or two double elements.

  • beem2000beem2000 Posts: 20
    edited August 1, 2023 3:41PM

    @1madman said:
    imo, PCGS should not have labeled the 1 coin as doubled edge lettering. That definition is not accurate for this coin, sorry.

    Presidential Dollars, 2011-P $1 Dbld Edge Let., Overlap Garfield, Position A Edge Error, PCGS MS64
    Star over P .By the way, my submission. PCGS #: 506690

  • EliteCollectionEliteCollection Posts: 168 ✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    Could you post pictures of the edge of each coin? More likely to get an answer that way. Cheers, RickO

    Last post of RickO. May you rest in piece.

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