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Here is a Daniel Carr piece that I'll bet most of you didn't even know about, much less seen.

MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited July 28, 2023 5:30AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Here is a Daniel Carr piece that I almost accidentally spent. Luckily I caught it before doing so and sent it off to ANACS.

@dcarr has listed them on his site here (scroll to the bottom): Moonlight Mint edge lettered plain edge Sac $

http://www.SmallDollars.com

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,601 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 28, 2023 5:40AM

    They slab those? Have to get some of mine into plastic!

    I know there was at least one other text that he did (two sections of the edge, if I recall correctly).

    There were also custom texts that he did (my "Kilroy Was Here" being one).

    Also, I think I sent him some coins for the "Darwin Rules" text after he offered some examples on ebay, so there could be more than the website shows.

  • FranklinHalfAddictFranklinHalfAddict Posts: 671 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Blah

  • FrazFraz Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Daang, vbitis goin’ around the forum.

  • carabonnaircarabonnair Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An earlier discussion with more photos. https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/994123/a-different-kind-of-daniel-carr-collectable

    And thanks - answers my question whether ANACS slabs these!

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,601 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @carabonnair said:
    An earlier discussion with more photos. https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/994123/a-different-kind-of-daniel-carr-collectable

    And thanks - answers my question whether ANACS slabs these!

    Thx for the link.

    I learned there - thanks to my own post :# - that I did in fact have DCarr do some nickels for me.

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,040 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MWallace did you find it in a normal roll or in your change? Or was it one you originally received knowing what it was and almost mixed in with some regular examples?

    Either way, that’s a cool find and it’s nice that you caught it before spending it!

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,601 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    @JBK said:

    @carabonnair said:
    An earlier discussion with more photos. https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/994123/a-different-kind-of-daniel-carr-collectable

    And thanks - answers my question whether ANACS slabs these!

    Thx for the link.

    I learned there - thanks to my own post :# - that I did in fact have DCarr do some nickels for me.

    .

    I've updated the section where I document the edge markings, based on the information presented here and new recollections (scroll to bottom of page here):
    moonlightmint.com/dc-coin_dollars_list.htm

    .

    I looks great! Thanks for the additional details.

    "In Gold We Lust" - that's the one I also recalled. I picked one up on ebay (from you). I think you had said that double quote necessitated two passes through the machine.

    P.S. - one of my orders included a few miscellaneous coins such as a British penny and a half dollar with weak reading, but you did mention on the page that a few other coins might have been done.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is it a DC piece or just edge lettering applied to a genuine coin?

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  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,562 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Really neat piece. I could have spent it too if I did not look at the edge. DC work is awesome.

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  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    Is it a DC piece or just edge lettering applied to a genuine coin?

    From the link above to Dan's website: "Edge Lettering Applied to Normal US Mint Smooth-Edge Coins."

    http://www.SmallDollars.com
  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What are these selling for? Has anyone seen one of these in actual circulation?

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Subtle Darwin commemorative, what's not to like. I would like to find a specimen like yours one day...

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  • FranklinHalfAddictFranklinHalfAddict Posts: 671 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:

    @MWallace said:

    @FranklinHalfAddict said:
    Blah

    I knew this kind of crap was coming. Second post no less. If anyone is not interested, just move on. I'm not interested in EVERYTHING collected by board members, but I'm interested in hearing what people collect and think it's great that we have a place to discuss all of numismatics.

    The irony is that poster's handle.

    Please elaborate!

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,016 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FranklinHalfAddict said:
    Blah

    Nah!

    peacockcoins

  • rsei0120rsei0120 Posts: 127 ✭✭

    Ok so this is cool, now I have to go back and look....Thank you for sharing

  • Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am also a Dan Carr fan / have several of his coins and I do believe they will be valuable someday to collectors.
    But it didn’t bother me that someone went “blah” - because I think it’s good to get a range of opinions even if some are negative.
    I remember seeing a survey about these coins / tokens - and most collectors liked them but some didn’t. Both sides had interesting points. I wish I could find that original post - may have been more than one.

    My favorites are the peace overstrikes - especially high relief - and the covid tokens I really like.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,601 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @carabonnair said:
    I got mine back from the ANACS last week:

    Nice!

    Soon 'll be posting a thread with another DCarr edge lettered coin I got slabbed recently.

  • JWPJWP Posts: 22,349 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FranklinHalfAddict said:
    Blah

    Your comment is not appreciated or warranted. If you don't have something to add to the post - just don't comment. I feel like I'm telling this to a child.

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  • TwobitcollectorTwobitcollector Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is at ANACS now.

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  • Married2CoinsMarried2Coins Posts: 596 ✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    They slab those? Have to get some of mine into plastic!

    I know there was at least one other text that he did (two sections of the edge, if I recall correctly).

    There were also custom texts that he did (my "Kilroy Was Here" being one).

    Also, I think I sent him some coins for the "Darwin Rules" text after he offered some examples on ebay, so there could be more than the website shows.

    ANACS and ICG slab Daniel Carr pieces. Mine are in both slabs. I prefer the ICG ones because I think the ANACS slab is ugly. It's a personal thing and I'm too cheap to cross them. LOL.

  • Married2CoinsMarried2Coins Posts: 596 ✭✭✭

    @JWP said:

    @FranklinHalfAddict said:
    Blah

    Your comment is not appreciated or warranted. If you don't have something to add to the post - just don't comment. I feel like I'm telling this to a child.

    Blah. There is more than one child around here who enjoys your cartoon posts.

  • Married2CoinsMarried2Coins Posts: 596 ✭✭✭

    @MWallace said:

    @gumby1234 said:
    Is it a DC piece or just edge lettering applied to a genuine coin?

    From the link above to Dan's website: "Edge Lettering Applied to Normal US Mint Smooth-Edge Coins."

    If he put them into circulation could he get in trouble for defacing a coin?

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Married2Coins If he put them into circulation he would be out of business quickly. He would be losing tons of money.

    I would guess that he could get into a load of trouble if putting them into circulation as well.

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,601 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just to clarify, this thread is about DCarr edge-lettered coins. The coins are actual US Mint products where he has added his own (or custom) edge-lettering.

    There are no legal issues with it because it was not done for fraudulent purposes, and it is not commercial advertising. (Those are the sorts of alterations that are prohibited on coins). They can be spent/circulated with no issues.

  • Married2CoinsMarried2Coins Posts: 596 ✭✭✭

    I understand his fantasy coins, look-alike, and overstrikes avoid the law but there might be something with these. I guess counterfeit paper is more important if there were. Anyone know where the government rules are printed.
    A week ago someone posted that you cannot melt old Lincoln cents.

  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Married2Coins said:
    I understand his fantasy coins, look-alike, and overstrikes avoid the law but there might be something with these. I guess counterfeit paper is more important if there were. Anyone know where the government rules are printed.
    A week ago someone posted that you cannot melt old Lincoln cents.

    This subject has been discussed on this board to adnauseam. Do a search and you should find many discussions. Refer to @JBK 's post above. He is correct.

    You can't melt copper cents because the copper value has risen above face value. If they were melted there would become a Cent shortage virtually overnight.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,156 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MWallace said:
    You can't melt copper cents because the copper value has risen above face value. If they were melted there would become a Cent shortage virtually overnight.

    Considering that copper was removed from cents in 1982 which was over 40 years ago, I doubt that even 1% of the cents in current circulation are copper so I doubt allowing the copper cents to be melted would result in a cent shortage.

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  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @MWallace said:
    You can't melt copper cents because the copper value has risen above face value. If they were melted there would become a Cent shortage virtually overnight.

    Considering that copper was removed from cents in 1982 which was over 40 years ago, I doubt that even 1% of the cents in current circulation are copper so I doubt allowing the copper cents to be melted would result in a cent shortage.

    True.

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  • maymay Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @MWallace said:
    You can't melt copper cents because the copper value has risen above face value. If they were melted there would become a Cent shortage virtually overnight.

    Considering that copper was removed from cents in 1982 which was over 40 years ago, I doubt that even 1% of the cents in current circulation are copper so I doubt allowing the copper cents to be melted would result in a cent shortage.

    Where I live, a good 20% of pennies are copper. Living in a small town might have to do with it.

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,601 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ownerofawheatiehorde said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @MWallace said:
    You can't melt copper cents because the copper value has risen above face value. If they were melted there would become a Cent shortage virtually overnight.

    Considering that copper was removed from cents in 1982 which was over 40 years ago, I doubt that even 1% of the cents in current circulation are copper so I doubt allowing the copper cents to be melted would result in a cent shortage.

    Where I live, a good 20% of pennies are copper. Living in a small town might have to do with it.

    My copper rate isn't quite that high but it did go up several years ago when copper prices pulled back a bit and at the same time copper hoarders realized they had no way to cash in.

    Of course, the melt ban also applies to nickels.

  • Slade01Slade01 Posts: 294 ✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Considering that copper was removed from cents in 1982 which was over 40 years ago, I doubt that even 1% of the cents in current circulation are copper so I doubt allowing the copper cents to be melted would result in a cent shortage.

    You are correct, it has nothing to do with the metal issue. 31 U.S. Code § 5111(d) limits melting or taking coins out of the country for the purpose of insuring a sufficient amount for commerce by the plain wording of the text. But just imagine how many cents there are hiding in little jars throughout the country inhibiting commerce. ;)

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,461 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JWP said:

    @FranklinHalfAddict said:
    Blah

    Your comment is not appreciated or warranted. If you don't have something to add to the post - just don't comment. I feel like I'm telling this to a child.

    Maybe he is commenting that Darwin doesn't rule. hmmm

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  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 5, 2024 11:35PM

    @braddick said:

    @MWallace said:

    @FranklinHalfAddict said:
    Blah

    I knew this kind of crap was coming. Second post no less. If anyone is not interested, just move on. I'm not interested in EVERYTHING collected by board members, but I'm interested in hearing what people collect and think it's great that we have a place to discuss all of numismatics.

    The irony is that poster's handle.

    Which one? FranklinHalfAddict?

    Or someone with the handle "MWallace" holding a coin stamped "Darwin Rules"? That's the irony I saw.

    (The theory of natural selection is now called the "Darwin Wallace Theory of natural selection", giving late credit to AR Wallace who posted his research on natural selection simultaneously and independent of Charles Darwin. One would not expect someone with (presumably) the surname "Wallace" to be holding a coin stamped "Darwin rules" after his namesake didn't get the recognition that Darwin received for decades.)

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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Darwin a veritable Hero of Biology & wish I could locate one of these......Many now consider the Theory of Evolution to be a Principle....Wonderful deductions by a naturalist of the old school.

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,480 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 6, 2024 5:56AM

    @7Jaguars said:
    Darwin a veritable Hero of Biology & wish I could locate one of these......Many now consider the Theory of Evolution to be a Principle....Wonderful deductions by a naturalist of the old school.

    At the time I made the "Darwin Rules" edge markings, there was an uproar from some people about "In God We Trust" not appearing on the new President Dollar coins (it was actually on the edge of most coins, although some coins had missing edge lettering in error). I thought the whole affair was blown a bit out of proportion. So a few coins don't have an obvious "In God We Trust" on them. I didn't see that as a major problem. The Native-Head/Bison nickel minted until 1938 did not ever have the motto.

    So in addition to being a test, and for practice using the marking apparatus, I chose the wording as a sort of satire on the situation at the time.

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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's an interesting "early Daniel Carr" piece. I'm glad that you didn't spend it.

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