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Red Sox are exciting to watch right now (SOMETIMES)

tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭
edited August 2, 2023 5:02PM in Sports Talk

They have some dud games but are usually always in it to the finish. They make it fun to watch!

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 28,542 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 23, 2023 8:23AM

    Glad your enjoying it Tommy!

    I've seen some bits and pieces of games, I just can't sit through an entire Sox game unless it's the ALCS or World Series

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The household here is Sox fans. Watch when they are on main stream TV.

    Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    I watch every Red Sox game that the big money boys don't block me out of.
    I hate it when they black out games in my area like Arizona and Colorado which are hundreds of miles away from Albuquerque...

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭

    @tommyrusty7 said:
    I watch every Red Sox game that the big money boys don't block me out of.
    I hate it when they black out games in my area like Arizona and Colorado which are hundreds of miles away from Albuquerque...

    MLB and the regional networks have some of the weirdest dumbest blackout policies. There was a White Sox game where the game was actually blacked out on the TVs in the stadium. You couldnt watch the game standing in line for a beer or food, but if you turned around and walked 20 feet you could watch it live

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    Glad your enjoying it Tommy!

    I've seen some bits and pieces of games, I just can't sit through an entire Sox game unless it's the ALCS or World Series

    If you stayed up to watch tonights game you might just get addicted to watching them more frequently. They don't even have half of their starting pitchers back yet .
    They have found a replacement for Bogaerts and got rid of Kiki as he was a disaster there.
    Give them a shot, you might like what you see.

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    How about that!
    Two in a row against the best team in baseball!
    Great game again tonight.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 28,542 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My buddy hit 3k on a Red Sox -1 Run line

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    Cris Sale threw 20 pitches today in Worchester and says he is ready to return to action as soon as possible and will pitch as an opener, reliever or whatever the team wants him to do .
    I agree as he might as well throw some pitches somewhere and it might as well be in Boston and not Worcester.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭✭✭

    14 and 5 since July 1st.

    Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    Did you see the play where Red Sox minot leaguer got a single then scored from first pitch in the dirt! ?
    The catcher then threw the ball past the 2nd baseman into center field and Rafaela slid into home ahead of the throw.
    More great things from the farm!
    Time to get excited boys and girls!

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Steve,
    I'm happy to read that you're really enjoying the Sox and the Ohtani saga!
    I think KiKe was destined to be gone, too many errors at shortstop.

    I do watch the Sox from time to time, especially home games which are broadcast in 4k. They still have a way to go, but have certainly played pretty well recently. The Braves series was blocked to me because I live near Atlanta, I guess it doesn't matter that Fenway Park is about a thousand miles from me.

    I'll continue to lurk and enjoy reading your excitement. You sound like a happy, happy kid who just got a new bike at Christmas.

    Enjoy the rest of the season!!

    Best,
    Al

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    Hi Al,
    I knew you would not abandon the Red Sox Al and I know you love them and want to see them do well.
    When you are loaded at one spot like center field someone needs to go and Kiki was it as SS was not for him!
    I get upset about the blackouts of Arizona and Colorado too.
    It doesn't make any sense to me as I am about 750 miles from them and 2000 miles from Boston.
    At my age I'm not going to drive to either one never mind what a game costs to attend.
    Enjoy your 4k tv,
    Steve

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    Another one run game for the win tonight.

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tommyrusty7 said:

    Enjoy your 4k tv,
    Steve

    You should consider a 4k tv. All Red Sox home games are broadcast in 4k if you have Directv, might be the case on other providers, don't know, but I have Directv. The clarity is incredible. I have a 65" LG set that is a joy to watch, among other 4k programming. Not sure how you are set up, but, maybe check with your son to see if you can either wall mount, or use the "legs" that come with the set and sit it on a mantle. The tv is the thickness of a cell phone. You can always visit Best Buy and buy the tv and have Geek squad mount if for you.

    4k is 4 X the pixels you are watching vs regular HD tv. I don't think a 55" or 65" are that expensive, given that you are a retired casino mogul. B)

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    I just this spring bought a 75 inch LG tv so really am out of the market right now. I have it mounted on a very large tv stand that I had to have a new top put on as the legs for it are almost 5 feet apart. The only thing I watch on tv anymore is baseball as my wife watches game shows all day so I really don't need a 4k set. I had my last 55 inch set for 25 years and don't intend to be around for 25 more years for this one to wear out. I tend not to buy something until I really need it like a car as long as it runs it serves my purpose.

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2023 6:06AM

    I am getting sick of Devers making errors. He is supposed to be the future of the Red Sox but he has not been able to field his position.
    I said that 2 years ago and he has not improved yet and now he is not hitting either.
    Maybe its time to trade him for some of the help he says the Red Sox need.
    He would sure be a valuable trade chip to a national league team.

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With 2 back-to-back walk off losses to the Giants late in both games and the Seattle loss, Red Sox opportunities are rapidly sinking into the sunset. Losing 3 games in a row right now are huge losses. With only 56 games left to play, I doubt they can pull this out. Trade deadline today, we'll see if Bloom can add some much needed pitching. It's time to get rid of Sale if possible, yet another insane contract gone bad.

    Months ago, I said the Orioles were gonna do very well. If they don't implode, they could be the team to beat for all the marbles.

    It's only baseball.

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    The sox are stuck with Sale as no team is going to take him off their hands.
    Bloom is also not going to go after what is left of the free agents or soon to be free agents.
    There is not any pitching out there that I would give up the future for now anyway.
    Just move on to see what he can pick up after the season is over.

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    Bring Sale up now and let him see what he can do. He may as well be pitching, if only for a few innings at a time, for the Sox as being wasted pitching in AAA.
    The game today and the next 3 after that with the Blue Jays will determine if the Sox are going to compete in the playoffs. We need all hands on board now as it's crunch time !

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    Devers makes another gaff at 3rd base and causes another loss.
    Where is the wonder boys head? I think its up his a$$!
    He is sure not the wonder boy the sox gave all that money to.

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Alex Cora , after the Seattle/SFO debacle, said...the Toronto series is really important, it should be fun. I wonder if he still thinks playing Toronto is fun? Now 11 games back and again, in the cellar.

    TURN OUT THE LIGHTS, THE PARTY'S OVER

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    Looks like you are right Al but I will still watch themI
    I still say Devers is not a good 3rd baseman. H hit a homer today but he keeps making errors both fielding and throwing.
    Either make him the DH or trade him! I can't stand watching him play as his attitude sucks!

  • daltexdaltex Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Devers has never been a remotely competent 3B. Last year he looked like he was getting better. It's clear that was a mirage. But, but the Sox don't have a legitimate 1B, so perhaps they try him there. He might even be league average. If he's playing a position he can actually play, then he just might start hitting like his contract says he should.

    As far as Sale is concerned, apparently you don't understand his status and the Red Sox philosophy for at least the past fifteen years. They like to have maximum flexibility, often keeping a player on the active roster over a somewhat better one who still has options so that they can use both in a pinch. Sale is on the 60 day IL, which means that to activate him not only would they have to use him to replace someone on the 26 man roster, but you'll also have to DFA (or worse) someone on the 40 man roster. So are you willing to completely cut ties with Bobby Dalbec just so Sale can "earn his paycheck" rehabbing in Boston? If not Dalbec, tell me who you'd prefer the Sox remove from those two rosters, keeping in mind that they're liable for 100% of the salary if they release, say, Adam Duvall.

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    They made a huge mistake in giving Devers that monster contract but it sure was what the fans wanted. Move him to DH and if he does not like it too bad . Then trade his ass as there will be people that will find a spot for him other than 3rd base. Cora is putting his foot down a little too late this season to save it by benching a much needed player at this point in the season and not saying why.
    They need Sale on the team NOW even if it costs them a player like Duval who is not hitting much anyway. Pitching is their major concern if they want to save this season. I am sure they can DFA one to those rookies without DFA ing anybody.
    I , like Al, have reached the point where I feel the season is over for the Sox this year.

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like the team has an internal issue with Verdugo, who was obviously benched in yesterday's game. While neither Cora or Verdugo made an "official" response to several questions by reporters, post game, it apparently stems from Verdugo's not being at Fenway on time. Normally a manager would tell the press that so and so won't be in the lineup today because of injury, or other acceptable reason, no big deal. However, when nobody's talking, it becomes obvious to me that from what I've read, Verdugo was some 2 hours late to "be at the ballpark time".

    Never cared for Verdugo from the time he did the incessant baby rocking thing when he'd get on base. Another thing he does not do, as do several others, never tosses the ball to the fans after catching the 3rd out. It's like he doesn't know they're there and casually tosses the ball into the infield. Oftentimes, he's almost on top of the right field fans, but never a gesture to them of making some kid thrilled to get a ball. A tiny gesture that goes a long way with fans, IMO.

    Now, Cora is Mr. Hell on Wheels with comments like "this is the worst day I've ever had as a manager". He has always been Mr Easygoing, a player's manager, where he should have been more managerial and not act as though he's coddling players.
    I don't get the beard, no beard thing that he's been doing for months. He's even throwing the front office under the bus. A generic google about yesterday's game will give the reader ample venom from the leader of the team.

    So, I'm not surprised to see the insane base running error yesterday. Don't they teach various "what ifs" to younger players ?Devers has become a one man wrecking crew at 3rd, with the exception of the occasional homer, he appears to need some serious coaching at that position. Sale, is worthless and is just sucking on John Henry's wallet, with little to nothing to show for his OVER HYPED ability to perform, which he does not. He's a walking IL player...yet again another insane contract of untold millions going to a underperforming player. The Red Sox seem to pick more losers than winners in the big contract arena. Oh, how the list goes on and on and on. I think Bloom/Cora may well be toast at the end of 2023 season, Bloom for sure.

    Watch the Orioles, a sparkling team that is firing on all cylinders. I expect to see them in October, but the Red Sox will be long done by then, this season is unrecoverable.

    All in all, it's only baseball.

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    If big time changes are not made they will not be involved in next year either and that includes Devers and Verdugo. I don't know what happened between them and management but both of them are different than last year for sure. A team goes nowhere when they are not together as a team and this is where the Red Sox are at this point.
    Bloom is in way over his head and a strong new GM should hire his own manager and staff now.!
    Why wait till the season is over?
    Let the new GM and manager see what the team needs to get rid of all the deadheads and prepare for next year.

  • daltexdaltex Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MCMLVTopps said:
    Sale, is worthless and is just sucking on John Henry's wallet, with little to nothing to show for his OVER HYPED ability to perform, which he does not. He's a walking IL player...yet again another insane contract of untold millions going to a underperforming player. The Red Sox seem to pick more losers than winners in the big contract arena. Oh, how the list goes on and on and on. I think Bloom/Cora may well be toast at the end of 2023 season, Bloom for sure.

    Not fair. Sale was really good from 2012 to 2018, which is better than even a lot of HoF pitchers can say. And there isn't a person reading here who would reject a 5 year $145 million contract.

    This is all on management. His 2019 was very ordinary, and even though he's been decent when he's pitched since, he's pitched far too little. And with his body type the breakdown was both predictable and predicted. It's not as though he's been, say, Corey Kluber or Dallas Keuchel. It was just a bad contract to offer, and has turned out much worse than it looked at the time.

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    The latest worthless player to add a big contract to is Devers who I said 2 years ago he could not play 3rd base,
    Now he can't even hit the ball.
    No wonder Verdugo is disgusted and is developing a bad attitude!
    What do the coaches do to improve the players!
    Nada that's what!
    Wait till next year my father used to say.
    I still find myself saying that.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,020 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The only good thing about the current standings for Sox fans is that the Yankees have been in the cellar. They probably won’t end up there, but one can hope. Otherwise it will probably be the Red Sox in the pit.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    They are starting to come back but will it be enough to help?
    Story back tomorrow.
    Sale pitches Friday.
    Whitlock pitches in Worchester on Wed and could be back on Sunday.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭

    Not Red Sox news, but AL news. Scherzer was traded to the Rangers pending him waiving his no trade clause > @daltex said:

    @MCMLVTopps said:
    Sale, is worthless and is just sucking on John Henry's wallet, with little to nothing to show for his OVER HYPED ability to perform, which he does not. He's a walking IL player...yet again another insane contract of untold millions going to a underperforming player. The Red Sox seem to pick more losers than winners in the big contract arena. Oh, how the list goes on and on and on. I think Bloom/Cora may well be toast at the end of 2023 season, Bloom for sure.

    Not fair. Sale was really good from 2012 to 2018, which is better than even a lot of HoF pitchers can say. And there isn't a person reading here who would reject a 5 year $145 million contract.

    This is all on management. His 2019 was very ordinary, and even though he's been decent when he's pitched since, he's pitched far too little. And with his body type the breakdown was both predictable and predicted. It's not as though he's been, say, Corey Kluber or Dallas Keuchel. It was just a bad contract to offer, and has turned out much worse than it looked at the time.

    Not to mention Sale was a significant part of a WS win. Boston fans in general are just spoiled with the success the teams have all had over the last 20 years. Most fan bases would absolutely pay for a WS win and love Sale for it. Sales contract really isnt the issue anyways, its that ownership decided to stop spending. Its that weird risk where sometimes when owners win the championship or enough of them they cut spending and start pocketing the money or spending it elsewhere. The Marlins did, the Cubs did it just to name a couple others. They have plenty of money and the Sale extension while not great isnt relevant

  • daltexdaltex Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:
    Not Red Sox news, but AL news. Scherzer was traded to the Rangers pending him waiving his no trade clause > @daltex said:

    @MCMLVTopps said:
    Sale, is worthless and is just sucking on John Henry's wallet, with little to nothing to show for his OVER HYPED ability to perform, which he does not. He's a walking IL player...yet again another insane contract of untold millions going to a underperforming player. The Red Sox seem to pick more losers than winners in the big contract arena. Oh, how the list goes on and on and on. I think Bloom/Cora may well be toast at the end of 2023 season, Bloom for sure.

    Not fair. Sale was really good from 2012 to 2018, which is better than even a lot of HoF pitchers can say. And there isn't a person reading here who would reject a 5 year $145 million contract.

    This is all on management. His 2019 was very ordinary, and even though he's been decent when he's pitched since, he's pitched far too little. And with his body type the breakdown was both predictable and predicted. It's not as though he's been, say, Corey Kluber or Dallas Keuchel. It was just a bad contract to offer, and has turned out much worse than it looked at the time.

    Not to mention Sale was a significant part of a WS win. Boston fans in general are just spoiled with the success the teams have all had over the last 20 years. Most fan bases would absolutely pay for a WS win and love Sale for it. Sales contract really isnt the issue anyways, its that ownership decided to stop spending. Its that weird risk where sometimes when owners win the championship or enough of them they cut spending and start pocketing the money or spending it elsewhere. The Marlins did, the Cubs did it just to name a couple others. They have plenty of money and the Sale extension while not great isnt relevant

    Did you not see that the 2022 payroll was $236 million (for CBT purposes)? For comparison, Houston's was $210 million, and Oakland $65 million.

    Consider, they paid Jackie Bradley, who they cut on August 4, ¼ of what the A's paid their entire team. Whatever the Sox problems are, it's not an unwillingness to spend money.

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    Let's hope the walk off grand slam last night along with Story's return tonight will fire up the team this year.
    I have seen it happen and I sure don't want to see the season end before the World Series.

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Steve...smell the coffee! There's only 50 games left, Story, Sale, and anybody else on the team cannot resurrect this losing season. One lucky stroke does not equal a rally. What on earth can Story's return do? I think what's more damaging is a position player with an attitude, which it appears Verdugo has developed.

    DA SEASON IS OVAH

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    I hear you Al and don't disagree. I just want the season to go on for as long as possible!

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭

    @daltex said:

    @Basebal21 said:
    Not Red Sox news, but AL news. Scherzer was traded to the Rangers pending him waiving his no trade clause > @daltex said:

    @MCMLVTopps said:
    Sale, is worthless and is just sucking on John Henry's wallet, with little to nothing to show for his OVER HYPED ability to perform, which he does not. He's a walking IL player...yet again another insane contract of untold millions going to a underperforming player. The Red Sox seem to pick more losers than winners in the big contract arena. Oh, how the list goes on and on and on. I think Bloom/Cora may well be toast at the end of 2023 season, Bloom for sure.

    Not fair. Sale was really good from 2012 to 2018, which is better than even a lot of HoF pitchers can say. And there isn't a person reading here who would reject a 5 year $145 million contract.

    This is all on management. His 2019 was very ordinary, and even though he's been decent when he's pitched since, he's pitched far too little. And with his body type the breakdown was both predictable and predicted. It's not as though he's been, say, Corey Kluber or Dallas Keuchel. It was just a bad contract to offer, and has turned out much worse than it looked at the time.

    Not to mention Sale was a significant part of a WS win. Boston fans in general are just spoiled with the success the teams have all had over the last 20 years. Most fan bases would absolutely pay for a WS win and love Sale for it. Sales contract really isnt the issue anyways, its that ownership decided to stop spending. Its that weird risk where sometimes when owners win the championship or enough of them they cut spending and start pocketing the money or spending it elsewhere. The Marlins did, the Cubs did it just to name a couple others. They have plenty of money and the Sale extension while not great isnt relevant

    Did you not see that the 2022 payroll was $236 million (for CBT purposes)? For comparison, Houston's was $210 million, and Oakland $65 million.

    Consider, they paid Jackie Bradley, who they cut on August 4, ¼ of what the A's paid their entire team. Whatever the Sox problems are, it's not an unwillingness to spend money.

    Paying terrible Jackie Bradley was just stupid as he hadnt been good since 2016, but they really didnt pay him either. The only year he made over 10 million was the covid year where they didnt have to pay him all of it.

    The Red Sox have a significantly lower payroll this year. Thats not even a real payroll with deferred money etc. The As arent relevenat, theres players making more than their team payroll this year. The Red Sox have the money, they have an extremely rich ownership group that simply decided to cut payroll and spend money on buying an NHL team among other things,

    Bloom was hired to operate the team at a lower payroll level. Ownerships money being focused elsewhere is part of the problem. Theres obviously more problems than just spending, but the have the ability to be spending significantly more than they currently are willing too

  • daltexdaltex Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @daltex said:

    @Basebal21 said:
    Not Red Sox news, but AL news. Scherzer was traded to the Rangers pending him waiving his no trade clause > @daltex said:

    @MCMLVTopps said:
    Sale, is worthless and is just sucking on John Henry's wallet, with little to nothing to show for his OVER HYPED ability to perform, which he does not. He's a walking IL player...yet again another insane contract of untold millions going to a underperforming player. The Red Sox seem to pick more losers than winners in the big contract arena. Oh, how the list goes on and on and on. I think Bloom/Cora may well be toast at the end of 2023 season, Bloom for sure.

    Not fair. Sale was really good from 2012 to 2018, which is better than even a lot of HoF pitchers can say. And there isn't a person reading here who would reject a 5 year $145 million contract.

    This is all on management. His 2019 was very ordinary, and even though he's been decent when he's pitched since, he's pitched far too little. And with his body type the breakdown was both predictable and predicted. It's not as though he's been, say, Corey Kluber or Dallas Keuchel. It was just a bad contract to offer, and has turned out much worse than it looked at the time.

    Not to mention Sale was a significant part of a WS win. Boston fans in general are just spoiled with the success the teams have all had over the last 20 years. Most fan bases would absolutely pay for a WS win and love Sale for it. Sales contract really isnt the issue anyways, its that ownership decided to stop spending. Its that weird risk where sometimes when owners win the championship or enough of them they cut spending and start pocketing the money or spending it elsewhere. The Marlins did, the Cubs did it just to name a couple others. They have plenty of money and the Sale extension while not great isnt relevant

    Did you not see that the 2022 payroll was $236 million (for CBT purposes)? For comparison, Houston's was $210 million, and Oakland $65 million.

    Consider, they paid Jackie Bradley, who they cut on August 4, ¼ of what the A's paid their entire team. Whatever the Sox problems are, it's not an unwillingness to spend money.

    Paying terrible Jackie Bradley was just stupid as he hadnt been good since 2016, but they really didnt pay him either. The only year he made over 10 million was the covid year where they didnt have to pay him all of it.

    The Red Sox have a significantly lower payroll this year. Thats not even a real payroll with deferred money etc. The As arent relevenat, theres players making more than their team payroll this year. The Red Sox have the money, they have an extremely rich ownership group that simply decided to cut payroll and spend money on buying an NHL team among other things,

    Bloom was hired to operate the team at a lower payroll level. Ownerships money being focused elsewhere is part of the problem. Theres obviously more problems than just spending, but the have the ability to be spending significantly more than they currently are willing too

    They paid Bradley $17,500,000 last year, and they still had to pay him after he was cut.

    As far as this year is concerned, it really doesn't matter if they're paying Story, Sale, and Kluber $57,500,000 to be injured, or Hernandez and Barnes $13,772,879 to play for the Dodgers and Marlins, or Manny Ramirez $2,028,557 to not play anywhere (because he's 51), or any of the active players (please, give me a day re Story), it's all a cost and it all counts towards the CBT. So yes, they're paying less than they did last year, but at $219 million they're hardly running the team on the cheap.

    YMMV. My impression with Bloom was that he was hired to find guys like (Martin) Perez, Renfroe, Whitlock, maybe Schwarber who weren't cheap but were tremendously undervalued so that you could combine them with big money players like Sale, Devers, and Jansen and trot out a team worth $300 million for $200 million and not be subject to CBT penalties.

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tommyrusty7 said:
    I hear you Al and don't disagree. I just want the season to go on for as long as possible!

    Of course you should watch them, but having hopes of any playoff posssibilities is not realistic. Last night's game should ring the final bell that the team is going nowhere. Story, (as predicted) adds zip to the team., as will Sale. Do the players look excited? They do their little silly dance if they get a W/O win, this is just shtick for the fans. Most have already made their incredible vacation plans for the Fall.

    The ongoing schedule does not favor the team, with the Orioles and Tampa Bay on the horizon. Ever take a good look at Cora's face when the camera is on him? He looks like his dog just died. Expressionless, no emotion, he's just waiting for the last out so he can go home. I never see him trying to spark the team or instill those things a struggling manager should do. He was never the right choice, and when the Houston debacle came to light and he got toasted for a year, Bloom had other choices, he chose wrong. Cora claims his worst day with the team was two night's ago. Why? Because he had to deal with a position player with an attitude and had to bench him. Isn't that his job, to deal with personnel issues? As long as Cora is the manager, I think this team will never excel.

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2023 10:16AM

    I hope Cora has enjoyed his moment or two in the sun because it is setting on him as we speak. He can head back to his beloved Puerto Rico and never show up again at a baseball park in the USA. Anytime a poor baseball team, as poor as the Royals are, can whip your butt you should not want to show up on a baseball diamond again.

    Have a nice Fall and Winter guys and we will see you next spring, God willing!

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭

    @daltex said:

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    @Basebal21 said:
    Not Red Sox news, but AL news. Scherzer was traded to the Rangers pending him waiving his no trade clause > @daltex said:

    @MCMLVTopps said:
    Sale, is worthless and is just sucking on John Henry's wallet, with little to nothing to show for his OVER HYPED ability to perform, which he does not. He's a walking IL player...yet again another insane contract of untold millions going to a underperforming player. The Red Sox seem to pick more losers than winners in the big contract arena. Oh, how the list goes on and on and on. I think Bloom/Cora may well be toast at the end of 2023 season, Bloom for sure.

    Not fair. Sale was really good from 2012 to 2018, which is better than even a lot of HoF pitchers can say. And there isn't a person reading here who would reject a 5 year $145 million contract.

    This is all on management. His 2019 was very ordinary, and even though he's been decent when he's pitched since, he's pitched far too little. And with his body type the breakdown was both predictable and predicted. It's not as though he's been, say, Corey Kluber or Dallas Keuchel. It was just a bad contract to offer, and has turned out much worse than it looked at the time.

    Not to mention Sale was a significant part of a WS win. Boston fans in general are just spoiled with the success the teams have all had over the last 20 years. Most fan bases would absolutely pay for a WS win and love Sale for it. Sales contract really isnt the issue anyways, its that ownership decided to stop spending. Its that weird risk where sometimes when owners win the championship or enough of them they cut spending and start pocketing the money or spending it elsewhere. The Marlins did, the Cubs did it just to name a couple others. They have plenty of money and the Sale extension while not great isnt relevant

    Did you not see that the 2022 payroll was $236 million (for CBT purposes)? For comparison, Houston's was $210 million, and Oakland $65 million.

    Consider, they paid Jackie Bradley, who they cut on August 4, ¼ of what the A's paid their entire team. Whatever the Sox problems are, it's not an unwillingness to spend money.

    Paying terrible Jackie Bradley was just stupid as he hadnt been good since 2016, but they really didnt pay him either. The only year he made over 10 million was the covid year where they didnt have to pay him all of it.

    The Red Sox have a significantly lower payroll this year. Thats not even a real payroll with deferred money etc. The As arent relevenat, theres players making more than their team payroll this year. The Red Sox have the money, they have an extremely rich ownership group that simply decided to cut payroll and spend money on buying an NHL team among other things,

    Bloom was hired to operate the team at a lower payroll level. Ownerships money being focused elsewhere is part of the problem. Theres obviously more problems than just spending, but the have the ability to be spending significantly more than they currently are willing too

    They paid Bradley $17,500,000 last year, and they still had to pay him after he was cut.

    As far as this year is concerned, it really doesn't matter if they're paying Story, Sale, and Kluber $57,500,000 to be injured, or Hernandez and Barnes $13,772,879 to play for the Dodgers and Marlins, or Manny Ramirez $2,028,557 to not play anywhere (because he's 51), or any of the active players (please, give me a day re Story), it's all a cost and it all counts towards the CBT. So yes, they're paying less than they did last year, but at $219 million they're hardly running the team on the cheap.

    YMMV. My impression with Bloom was that he was hired to find guys like (Martin) Perez, Renfroe, Whitlock, maybe Schwarber who weren't cheap but were tremendously undervalued so that you could combine them with big money players like Sale, Devers, and Jansen and trot out a team worth $300 million for $200 million and not be subject to CBT penalties.

    Bradley made 9.5 million last year which was crazy he ever even got a contract with his inability to hit. Renfroe was there for a year and he wasnt a find, everyone knew he had power and was very good defensively, Deferred money really shouldn't be be relevant for a huge market team. Differed just means it costs them less which most teams do. Arroyo and Hernadez as the middle infield is just being cheap

    Whitlock isnt a find either, theres countless guys in college that could be plug and play as relievers. Revilers are the MLB version of running backs

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,020 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don’t get to see much of the Red Sox in Florida, but every time I saw them, Bradly was hitting just above .200. Why would you pay that much money to a guy who hits like a good hitting pitcher? Were the Sox afraid the Yankees would get him? >:)

    It seems like the Red Sox brass is taking stupid pills by the bottle given the wasted money on players who can’t play.

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    I don’t get to see much of the Red Sox in Florida, but every time I saw them, Bradly was hitting just above .200. Why would you pay that much money to a guy who hits like a good hitting pitcher? Were the Sox afraid the Yankees would get him? >:)

    It seems like the Red Sox brass is taking stupid pills by the bottle given the wasted money on players who can’t play.

    He had a good year in 2016. Thats about it. Career .225 hitter with a .381 slug and only stole more than 10 bases once. His contract was just stupid. He should have been out of the league sooner. Someone with a computer said our algorithm says hes amazing defensively and seemed to ignored playing the outfield especially center field in Boston is one of if not the easiest places to do so. Anything to left is off the wall and bouncing back your way. The RF is going to play in the right center gap because its a little league field with a short wall down the line. The only hard part is just remembering where the corner is that the bullpen comes out. Theres really not much ground to cover at all

  • daltexdaltex Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And now, going into Washington against the pitcher who led the majors in losses and earned runs each oi the last two years, with an astounding -75 RAA and a 71 ERA+ over the 2021-23 period, and pitching the putative ace, and then they lose 10-7.

    That might just mean the end of the season, and perhaps the end of Cora's time in Boston.

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    There is no way they can win the wild card now with such a poor performance as Devers is showing. He is not fielding or hitting worth what a high paid player should be doing and that is on the coaches who all need to be replaced as soon as the season is over. He was never a good fielder to start with and his attitude sucks!

  • pdoidoipdoidoi Posts: 331 ✭✭✭

    Another sweep of the Yankees

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    If they do nothing now it was sure sweet to see that . The umpire tried hard to give the game to the yankees. He should be fired for his actions!

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    Devers booted 3 balls last night but according to the official scorer he only came up with 1 error!
    Sure he hits a few homers but he gives up more runs with his lousy fielding!
    Tell me again how much the Red Sox are paying this clown?

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 7,573 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well it was definitley fun to watch today, not that I like Boston as much as I don't like Houston.......... Boston 17 - Houson 1 :D

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  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭✭

    This watching the box score instead of a live game reminds me of when I used to sit by the radio for a teletype update of a Red Sox game back in the late 1940's. I don't have Apple TV.

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