1890cc Morgan, what grade would you give it?
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I am always amazed at what I find when I look at stash’s of coins that have been put off to the side for a later date.
I am considering sending this 1890cc for grading. It passed all basic diagnostics concerning its authenticity.
People on this forum are much better than me in grading and I understand I have the advantage of coin in hand whereas pictures could be difficult.
What would you grade this raw 1890cc?
Would you send it in?
Thank you in advance for your comments.
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The area under Liberty’s chin going towards the 2nd star to the left of the date concerns me. There looks like a cleaning pattern there because of the fine lines that go in opposite directions. So unc details cleaned will be my guess
From photos, I think it can get a clean grade, although knocked down to AU55 due to scuff on obv. Luster looks good.
Looks like it may grade... that mark looks more like a scuff than cleaning (IMO). Probably grade AU or 60. Cheers, RickO
As usual, always tough to tell from pictures. I'd guess it ends up going AU details, as it looks like it has evidence of cleaning (could be cleaning patterns on both obverse and reverse around IGWT). But often tough to tell in forum photos.
If it was to straight grade, would think it goes AU55. Fields just aren't clean enough to go 58. The obverse in front of Liberty, the minor cheek hit, and what looks like something a little funky on the rim (noticeable a bit on reverse at 4PM) will hold it back.
If the images are even close to accurate, I don't think the coin deserves a straight grade. My guess is AU details, cleaned.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Common CC and not worth getting that sample "graded". Won't straight grade. Left obverse fields appear to have been messed with.
bob
I wouldn't call an (edited for the correct date) 1890-CC a "common CC". Even with a details grade, it should bring $250 and up - quite possibly, in excess of $300.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Agreed with @MFeld. Last 3 certified AU details 90-CC's have all sold around $350 on eBay in the last 30 days.
If I'm not mistaken, it's a 90-CC, NOT a 91-CC...
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
Based on the image provided, you’re not mistaken.😉 I’ll edit my previous post - thanks.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Well, time to give my eye doctor a call...
Doesn't matter, 90 vs 91CC. There are 2 PCGS AU Details coins on the BAY for $500 & $550 although with a Best Offer. An UNC Details is $650 BIN. $350 - $400 is well within the range for a 90 CC AU details without harsh cleaning. Not saying that is a good value, but reality. CC Morgans have just skyrocketed the past few years.
Gee Mark, can you name a more common CC dollar? Isn't it the most common of them?
bob
Hard to tell from the pictures but sure looks like a details coin to me.
I think not.
PCGS pops:
1880-CC 17,000+
1881-CC 26,000+
1882-CC 41,000+
1883-CC 54,000+
1884-CC 59,000+
1885-CC 26,000+
1890-CC 16,000+
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
C'mon Mark, it's a raw coin, not yet graded. Those are GSA coins for sure and MS to boot. Apples and Oranges. Very few 90cc GSA's were in the sale compared to those you listed above.
bob
Bob, I don’t know what to make of your comments in this thread. I see 1882-CC’s, 1883-CC’s and 1884-CC’s (each of which I’d call common dates in the CC series) far more frequently than 1890-CC’s.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@MFeld Mark, you are seeing MS coins that were released in the GSA sales. That is flooding the pop reports. Most 90cc's were released to circulation. Of this we can agree, right?
The OP's coin is a circulated example, probably high AU if not details.
No argument with you but getting it graded is pissing money down the drain in my opinion.
bob
When discussing “common dates” and populations, uncirculated examples - GSA or otherwise - count just as much as circulated ones do. If you choose to consider 1890-CC a common date in the series, I must disagree. Instead, I’ll go with 1882-CC, 1883-CC and 1884-CC. Populations and pricing back me up.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Not original
If that were my coin, and I was considering selling it, I'd get it graded. Even in this condition (whatever that may be, the grading cost would be worth it, IMO.
As to this being a "common date CC," I cannot begin to agree. In my experience, 1878-CC, 1882-CC, 1883-CC and 1884-CC all are much less expensive (and market cost can be considered a pretty good proxy for how common a CC Morgan is). In fact, I believe that several others are less expensive than the 1890-CC.
When I first starting collecting Morgans 15+ years ago, I bot an 84CC GSA for $140. Got the 83 GSA for $150. Both would have probably graded 63. Bot an NGC 90CC MS61 for $500. I also bot an NGC 90CC XF40 for $125 to break out for my album collection. Although circulated 82-84 CC were hard to find, much more common coin then the 90CC.
For the OP's benefit, and not entering the pop fray, here are a grouping of AU details CC coins sold in the last couple of months on ebay. Your choice as to sending for encapsulation, as only you know the investment already made in purchasing the raw coin. Knowing that it would cost in the $70 area to have it graded, at least. Hope this comparison helps.
Jim
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