2023 Morgan with minor doubling and a slice of humble pie.

Aspie_Rocco

Update: I sent photos to coinworld of theses coins and I will post the reply as I “eat a slice of humble pie” I learned something new and interesting and I am glad to spread the knowledge.

“This appears to be bi-directional machine doubling. On the areas of highest relief (representing the "original" digits), some of the numbers are reduced in width in the north-south direction. This wouldn't be the case with a doubled die. The edges of the numbers show marginal shelving, which is characteristic of machine doubling.
Machine doubling can manifest in as many as three directions on the same face.
Mike’s explanation means the doubling occurred during the striking process, not in the manufacturing of the dies.”
Mike is Mike Diamond of Coinworld

Just opened my two Morgans, one looks flawless, the other had a small scratch on the base of the neck.
Looking closer there is minor die doubling on the date and some stars. It is not mechanical/strike doubling as there is no flat shelf. Pics were hard to capture the minor doubling. Doubling shows along the top of numbers and stars
Update: closer photos showed clear minor doubling on some letters too.

Aspie_Rocco

There is doubling on letters too

Aspie_Rocco

Ok so I looked at my other Morgan and it looks distinctly tripled, more than the first one. Both coins seem to have the same reverse with identical die scratches in America. I am unsure if there are two die pairs (2 obverse paired with same reverse) or the second coin just shows tripling, but it looks like a tdo to me

ProofCollection

Yawn.

Goldminers

Sorry but I don't see tripling, but I do see the double scratch on the lower neck.

At that level of magnification lots of things can become visible related to metal flow, or extremely small vibration type variations possibly from minor die collar wear and shifting or even how the die itself was made.

Aspie_Rocco

I get what you are saying, and typically would agree. I also appreciate your thoughtful response. The insightful contribution of @ProofCollection aside.

I can see the tripling/doubling without a without a loupe and my eyes are not that great. It IS minor but it IS there. It is Much more clearly seen with 10x, and 30x was the only way to actually show the doubling well lit in photos to share.
Anyone else with a 2023 Morgan can look and see for their selves whether or not their coin is tripled like mine. There are die scratches around and through America on the reverse.

@Goldminers said:
Sorry but I don't see tripling, but I do see the double scratch on the lower neck.

At that level of magnification lots of things can become visible related to metal flow, or extremely small vibration type variations possibly from minor die collar wear and shifting or even how the die itself was made.

ifthevamzarockin

There are several minor doubled dies in the Silver Eagle series.
They really haven't caused much excitement.

It will be interesting to see if it causes some excitement or if they could be listed as Vams.

Aspie_Rocco

A few more pics less magnified
The yellow lines highlight where the doubling is

telephoto1

I see the areas to which OP refers but tend to fall in the "Machine Doubling" camp.

Goldbully

From the Mint image library for reference.

ricko

@Aspie_Rocco ... I call that machine doubling... There are no split serifs. Cheers, RickO

coiner

Machine doubling

Aspie_Rocco

Not all doubled dies display dramatic rotation, notching, or split serifs. This coin might be a type of push doubling but it is absolutely not mechanical/machine doubling.
There is the textured surface of the coin on the doubled areas. It is not flat nor shelf like.

ifthevamzarockin

@Aspie_Rocco "There is the textured surface of the coin on the doubled areas."

I noticed that also.

FlyingAl

I’d call it a TDO.

Remember, single press hubbed doubled dies look very different from those that were hubbed with more than one press.

Aspie_Rocco

Better lighting kind of helps show it. The denticles below the date faintly show three layers (including the top most layer)

steve76020

veeeeery interesting!!!

Crypto

@Aspie_Rocco said:

Not all doubled dies display dramatic rotation, notching, or split serifs. This coin might be a type of push doubling but it is absolutely not mechanical/machine doubling.
There is the textured surface of the coin on the doubled areas. It is not flat nor shelf like.

Yes but it could (most likely) also be imparted into the master die from the manufacturing process from the hub. Reg dies use a squeeze method these days which would eliminate that scenario of doubling.

If part of a master die then there will be lots of dies with it. Considering the somewhat limited mintage relative, it might across all examples or at least most

Aspie_Rocco

Great points @Crypto
I am hoping more folks will look at their 2023 Morgan closer to see if this is on all or some.

JBK

Please don't make me look closer at my Morgan. It looked perfect upon first inspection and I'm afraid than if I scrutinize it further I might discover some flaws.