Picked up 2 errors at lunch

StrikeOutXXX

Local LCS sent me a text they got new errors in, went down at lunch and added them to the collection. Just quick cell phone photos, will have to add camera shots from home later, just thought they were neat. Thoughts?

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ctf_error_coins

Wanna sell that 11 cent piece?

jfriedm56

@StrikeOutXXX , very, very cool! Easily ones I would have purchased myself. Certifying next?

Steven59

Neat looking errors!

StrikeOutXXX

Not sure @jfriedm56

Here are iPad pics, best I can get at work.

ricko

Neat errors...and dates on both.... Good additions. Cheers, RickO

johnny9434

nice, i like the quarter

Conshyboy

What does LCS stand for? Local coin store?

StrikeOutXXX

@Conshyboy said:
What does LCS stand for? Local coin store?

That's how I used it, yes.

may

My lunch only consists of a boring turkey sandwich, yours is much better.

ctf_error_coins

The last time I went to my LCS, we got into an argument over semantics of what a major error coin is

gumby1234

Love both of those.

Kliao

Awesome pickups. Love that 11 cent piece. I think that is the only one I've seen with a shield back cent thus far.

Manifest_Destiny

MedalCollector

the 11 cent piece is a gem. It’s an extreme rarity and likely the only one known at this time. What a truly amazing find! Congrats!!

FredWeinberg

I hate to pop the party balloons, but they are both counterfeit in my opinion

MWallace

@ctf_error_coins said:
The last time I went to my LCS, we got into an argument over semantics of what a major error coin is

I would love to see/hear what the coin was and what you each called it. Or even better, if possible show a photo of the coin and do a GTD (Guess The Description).

MWallace

@FredWeinberg said:
I hate to pop the party balloons, but they are both counterfeit in my opinion

Lack of collar marks on the reverse of the Quarter??

Edited to add: On the 11-Cent piece both the Dime and Cent strike fill the entire planchet? In other words each die that struck it are the same size or the die itself had both denominations.

TennesseeDave

@FredWeinberg said:
I hate to pop the party balloons, but they are both counterfeit in my opinion

Fred strikes again. FWIW I hope he's wrong.... But he's probably not.

FredWeinberg

On the quarter, the overstrikes are kind of “mushy“ and do not have the proper detail shown for double triple or quadruple struck quarters.

On the double denomination $.11 piece – same effect- notice how “weakly struck” the overstrike design
Is -I’ve handled well over 500 double denomination cent on dimes, and they don’t look like this.

These are from the same source as the large group of counterfeit dramatic errors that came out about 10 years ago: I am certain that Jon would not certify them as authentic for PCGS, nor would NGC

Manifest_Destiny

Well, that's disappointing for the OP. Great knowledge on these forums.

StrikeOutXXX

@FredWeinberg said:
I hate to pop the party balloons, but they are both counterfeit in my opinion

And there is the reply I was waiting for!

I sent pictures to a few error guru's before I posted this, and that was the consensus.

Had coin club last night, combined with the fact that I apparently forgot how to take good pictures with my camera, or I would have posted some better pictures already.

seanq

Joining the party late but I immediately thought the quarter was NG, there were similar looking errors posted to a FB group last month and the weakness of the second strikes was the key factor in deciding they were counterfeit.

Having said that, the cent on dime had me fooled, it is only after others noted the weak strike by the cent dies that I came to understand how it could be no good. Great educational pieces, thanks for sharing.

Sean Reynolds

ctf_error_coins

Fred thank you.

I knew the quarter was very questionable.

I now see what you see in the 11 cent piece and I agree with you.

StrikeOutXXX

Truthfully, I think the iPad took better pics, but here's what I can get using a camera.

UpGrayedd

I realize that @StrikeOutXXX is not a newbie, and is a well respected member of the board in his own right as the discoverer of the 1919 Mercury DDO. However, let me just say how refreshing it is to see the OP accept the opinion of a recognized expert like Mr. Weinberg, rather than argue why they are correct and the expert is wrong. This thread has been both educational and polite, as opposed to what happens too often around here.

StrikeOutXXX

Thanks @UpGrayedd I'm just observant, but always learning. The 1919 was more like shooting fish in a barrel. I'm that guy at the local shows everyone brings their clips, doubling, off centers, laminations, RPMs and those lower-tier oddities to evaluate, I'm pretty good with those, but the bigger ones I'm still learning too. I was skeptical with the quarter, but the 11-center had me stumped. Judging by all the PMs I got to buy them here, fooled a lot of folks even more knowledgeable than I am too.

Boxed them up and sending to THE error guru near me to take some true quality photos, I'll share them after he takes them. Think he wants them for presentations or his next book on counterfeits anyhow.

I left the original post kind of open ended as by that time I was pretty sure they were both bad, but figured a few of us would learn something so didn't want to tip my beliefs. I'm a quasi-partner in the local coin shop anyhow, so no real loss there, plus the guys who took them in are watching this to learn as well for the next time.

Namvet69

My sentiments exactly. Well played all the way around. Peace Roy

Tramp

Counterfeit error coins. I hate to ask what's next. Thanks for the great education!

goodmoney4badmoney

I recall the counterfeits from about 10-ish years ago. Not specifically these coins but when the counterfeits were on the market, popping up on eBay etc. If memory serves they originated in Europe, maybe Belgium? Very well made, dramatic off metals and wrong planchets and all sorts of "high-end" and more expensive pieces.

FredWeinberg

We believe that they were made at the Romanian Mint,
Which had gone private about a year before these coins started to appear
On the market

MedalCollector

Wow! Are they struck on genuine host coins? Don’t think I saw any of the others released 10 years ago, though I think I do recall mention of them. Any pics of those?

Kliao

Wow. Fooled me. Looking at them again after reading the comments, can see why they are fakes.

mark_dak

@FredWeinberg said:
We believe that they were made at the Romanian mint,
Which had gone private about a year before these coins started to appear
On the market

What a buzz kill!

All joking aside, I am always amazed at the depth of knowledge exhibited here on any aspect of the hobby. It's threads like this that humble me and prove I have plenty to learn.

Mark

StrikeOutXXX

@Tramp said:
Counterfeit error coins. I hate to ask what's next. Thanks for the great education!

Yea, these have been around for awhile. Fred referred to these coming from Romania, but think it's Bulgaria. Have a peek at the attached PDF.

It's posted here with permission from Joe Cronin, and is from his book: "Mint Errors to Die For" which includes a section on fakes and counterfeits made to resemble genuine errors.

These 2 coins are in the mail to him now, and may be included in future editions depending on his findings.

FredWeinberg

Brain freeze - yes it was the Bulgarian Mint

StrikeOutXXX

Here are the photos courtesy of Joe Cronin. You can right click > open in new tab and zoom in even more.

goodmoney4badmoney

Am I seeing faint green residue/verdigris on these coins? Just reflections or something in the photos?

Namvet69

The PDF file read is excellent. Saved it for future reference.

CaptHenway

What a shame.

Hey Fred. You should teach an ANA Summer Seminar course on counterfeit/fake errors some year.