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DDO Peace dollar?

BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭✭✭

I don't collect Peace dollars other than a coin for the 7070 and a few essentially for bullion. Tonight, while randomly checking out a sketchy auction, I saw what could be doubling on a grossly overgraded (an AU called "superb gem BU") 1924-P Peace dollar and decided to buy it out of curiosity.

What do y'all think? Is this a true doubled die or just shelf doubling? I see a "notch" on the I, D, W, and possibly the E. I also see doubling on the L of LIBERTY and doubling on the forehead. I did a quick check in all the wrong places and found a DDO & DDR 1924 that doesn't match this coin.


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    RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 712 ✭✭✭✭

    I also see those notches. For me they are minor but there of plenty of Vammers here that go looney over minor stuff. You may have just made their night.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think it's a DDO, I think it's lighting & photo issues.

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    BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,150 ✭✭✭

    It’s hard to tell from your pics (no offense), but I don’t see any split serifs or extra thickness, so I’m leaning towards no.

    Lurking and learning since 2010. Full-time professional numismatist.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is so much glare in those pictures, it makes a conclusive determination very difficult. If possible, better pictures please. Cheers, RickO

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2023 10:26AM

    there is no known significant Doubled Die for 24. There are only 2 naked eye spreads for the series both being in the tiara area being the 23p and 34d. The 34d is interesting as it is known paired to two different naked eye different Rev dies as well with a small and large MMs

    your coin exhibits classic shelf bounce doubling. Think of a coin wobbling not fully seated in a die and when the impact happens it shifts into a seated position cleaving a bit of the highpoints off as its angle changes.

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,234 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2023 10:25AM

    interesting look at the top of the I and D of In god we trust.

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    ShurkeShurke Posts: 208 ✭✭✭

    Based on the notch in the corner of the D in particular, it looks promising.

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    Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2023 1:20PM

    I’m familiar with that seller just by the photo you posted.
    I have bought a few coins over the years from them - I had them all graded. One was a CC Morgan that graded MS64 (!!! I’ll open with the good one) but it went downhill from there. Two of the 21 peace dollars I won at auction listed “superb gem” came back cleaned (hairlines) and then a forth coin (35P) came back MS62 - so I was 2 for 2 - probably overpaid for the 62 but underpaid for the CC. Got destroyed on the 21s

    I only buy graded coins these days - if I’m serious about them

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 10, 2023 2:08PM

    Here are pics of the two main doubled dies from the peace series plus one of the 2nd rev die of the 34d. There are a few minor ones but these are the only two without a loop (pending on eyes)


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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is the 2 doubled 34d varieties in a pcgs double holder

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    BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:
    there is no known significant Doubled Die for 24. There are only 2 naked eye spreads for the series both being in the tiara area being the 23p and 34d. The 34d is interesting as it is known paired to two different naked eye different Rev dies as well with a small and large MMs

    your coin exhibits classic shelf bounce doubling. Think of a coin wobbling not fully seated in a die and when the impact happens it shifts into a seated position cleaving a bit of the highpoints off as its angle changes.

    Agreed that the forehead could be bounce doubling. But then why do the letters appear to be notched? Of course, the coin remains to be seen in hand. It's really bouncing to produce notches on the "I." Can bounce doubling produce notches on letters?

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    BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Che_Grapes said:
    I’m familiar with that seller just by the photo you posted.
    I have bought a few coins over the years from them - I had them all graded. One was a CC Morgan that graded MS64 (!!! I’ll open with the good one) but it went downhill from there. Two of the 21 peace dollars I won at auction listed “superb gem” came back cleaned (hairlines) and then a forth coin (35P) came back MS62 - so I was 2 for 2 - probably overpaid for the 62 but underpaid for the CC. Got destroyed on the 21s

    I only buy graded coins these days - if I’m serious about them

    Yeah, I'm well aware of the seller. Many "glowing" posts about them here. I took a look at the coin to check how far off their grading was (at best AU58 rather than their stated MS67) when I noticed the notched letters in IGWT, and with 2 minutes to go, decided to bid, even after checking Coin Facts for 1924 DDOs and finding nothing. I figured the education would be cheap and I just had to find out for myself.

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    BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    There is so much glare in those pictures, it makes a conclusive determination very difficult. If possible, better pictures please. Cheers, RickO

    That's this seller's photographic style - bright colored lights to make everything look toned and lustrous, even the AUs.

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