Lincoln Cent 1917 DDO
hbarbee
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I found these two 1917 DDO Lincoln cents both in AU58BN currently offered for sale. The one in the PCGS holder is priced at 166% of what I believe to be a fair offer so I doubt I would be able to buy it. The other is in an ANACS holder and with a reasonable price.
1) Which would you prefer based on the available images?
2) Do you believe the ANACS coin would cross over to PCGS at the same grade as a minimum?
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I see little to no luster on the second coin (assuming that is the ANACS) for AU58, I doubt it would cross at grade biased only on these photos. To be fair I think the first coin has far too much wear for an AU58 grade.
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I like the PCGS coin better.
I do not think the ANACS coin is AU.
This is a great variety to get. Something that I have never owned. In fact I have never seen one in person. It is more scarce than one may think. I would not mind having either one. Good choice!
Well, I agree the PCGS coin looks better, but the photos to me make the ANACS coin look more of higher grade AU based on wear than that the PCGS at 58. So they must be giving the PCGS coin a boost for the luster. Honestly - I like the ANACS coin but You need to look at its cost vs a possible downgrade and whether thats acceptable. Or ..wait for another to come along.
WS
Tough to say because we're comparing a Trueview to your photo. Having said that, I could nit pick both as the 1st coin appears to have some green on it (by the date and by the letters on the reverse) and the 2nd looks like a 55.
Totally agree with rec78 that these are extremely tough to find nice in higher grades. You're not going to get a bargain on a nice one. Good luck.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/2819
is the ANACS coin the DDO you want?
The ANACS coin doesn’t look DDO to me. I can see DDO characteristics in the date and motto in the PCGS coin but not in the other.
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I agree. I don't think the ANACS coin is the DDO.
It's the doubled die. The give away for me is on the 7 and the fat U in Trust.
While one of the classic doubled dies of the series, overall the variety is rather minor.
Perhaps "subtle" is the better description.
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Tough to compare coins when the 2 photos are taken so differently. We know that the 1st photo presents the coin in its very best light, while the 2nd photo is probably more realistic of what the coin will look like in hand. I side therefore with the 2nd photo.
Sorry, I made an error in the original post. The second coin (ANACS) is actually an AU55. Here is the image in the slab as posted by the dealer. When lusterlover indicated that I went back and checked. I do not have either coin, just evaluating which one to make an offer on.
A great example of an unimportant and very minor double die that has been hyped into popularity. I'm amazed that some collectors waste their time, money and eyesight on "errors and varieties" like this.
If I were to choose for purchase, it would be the first coin. The DDO is more apparent. Cheers, RickO
The ANACS coin appears to be a later die state than the PCGS coin, I can tell it is properly attributed by the date but the separation on the moto is much clearer on the PCGS coin even in the smaller image.
Does anyone know if those ANACS blue holders came before or after the yellow ones? I personally discount the yellow holders slightly as I have seen too many misgraded or misattributed coin in them to trust them sight unseen.
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The blue holders were before the yellow ones.
And I discount ALL ANACS holders, as their grading is ALL over the place for Lincoln cents. I used to send them a lot of the minor varieties because they were the only ones that certified them, basically everything that was attributable via the many internet variety sites
Even though they are very inexpensive, I've found them to be inconsistent with any grading standard. Like it could be an AU55 one day, and MS63 the next
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The 1917 DDO cent is one of the earliest doubled dies for this popular series. Even though it is not something that is apparent without a loupe (like the 1955 DDO) collectors interested in varieties will seek it out and add it to their collections.
A client of mine (long deceased, with the coin passing to his spouse) was the owner of an MS67RD example of the 1917 DDO cent. It originally was in an unattributed holder graded out at PCGS MS67RD. When my client acquired the coin and looked at it closely he saw it was the DDO variety. He sent it back to our host requesting that it be placed in a holder with the variety noted on the label. Our host confirmed it is the variety and placed it into the requested holder. It is a very attractive coin.
I did some research and I think that my client's coin was sold to Mr. Hansen in 2018.
The 1917 DDO is not a minor doubled die. I'm 71 years old and can see it with my naked eyes which are not the best. It is not a waste of money. This is a very good variety which I plan to get someday, everso lately.
If it's popular, there is collector demand for it - it can't be unimportant.
The Anacs "Blue" holders have no grading guarantee; if you have them reslab a small white holder they will not put them in their "gold" holder as the company changed hands.
rec78, you are correct. It is a major variety, at least according to PCGS. I use the registry set "Lincoln Cents with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes and Proofs" as the composition for my collection and it is in there. Estimates are only about 200 exist and they are very difficult in mint state since the variety was not discovered until 1977. The rotation point for the die is on the back shoulder so doubling is only easily seen on the date and "we trust".