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Ok variety people........check out this 1913 Buff

ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 7,854 ✭✭✭✭

I've been chasing Buffalo varieties for almost 20 years now and have never seen what I am seeing today. Just got in a gem type 1 1913 Buff and as I always do, I put her under magnification. And I am truly amazed with what I am seeing. I need some other eyes and brains to analyze it now. I will describe it then post my pics. I was first drawn to the obverse designer initial F. There are two distinct and different F's. The second F is southeast of the primary F. This is not MD. It looks Doubled die to me. The 2 F's are very easy to see. Then I noticed the large feather is tripled on the west side. I also noticed what I perceive a DD on parts of the braid. Under the scope the very top of the large feather is quadrupled but I could not get good pictures of it. Here she is. Opinions are appreciated from the experts here!


  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My first thought is machine doubling.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 7,854 ✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    My first thought is machine doubling.

    The 2 F's have different length crossmembers on the letter and are distinctly different size/style. I don't know. That's why I appreciate any opinions. Thanks for your input.

  • OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 7, 2023 5:04PM

    I think it’s probably machine doubling, but I could be wrong. It’s a pretty cool case at that.

    Type collector, mainly into Seated. Young Numismatist. Good BST transactions with: Mirabela

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Manorcourtman ... Great pictures.... I will defer to the expertise of @CaptHenway here... That F issue would certainly get the attention of any collector. Cheers, RickO

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To me, some of that doubling looks like it might be in the die and not machine doubling. What is known or documented for 1913s?

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,340 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2023 11:04AM

    This is the first example of this particular coin that I have seen.

    I would hesitate to call it a doubled die, and is probably no more than an extreme case of MDD.

    My opinion is based on the feather showing a tripling. While it is still possible to have a doubled die coin that also shows MDD, the preponderance of evidence leans toward MDD.

    Pretty severe at that.


    Edited to add "the" before preponderance.

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