Does PSA destroy your collectables?….YES
topcat
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I would think twice to all of you that are sending your most cherished collectibles to PSA. So first, they mis-labeled a rare 1973 Topps Wacky Packages 1st Series Pack in PSA 8 as a 2nd series. Fairly elementary to distinguish between a series 1 and 2 with the card showing through the back, but never-the-less, they did. So I sent the graded PSA 8 pack in to be corrected. Many weeks later, I received an email, thats right, an email advising that they damaged my rare pack and it is now about a PSA 6! Not even the courtesy of a call to a near 20 year customer. That was bad enough but what followed was even more despicable. After a few emails, they finally called to tell me they would like to offer me $200 for destroying my 8, although recent sales of the pack in PSA are consistently $1200 plus tax. They insult you further by reciting, business-like rhetoric like “Terms of Agreement” and declared value, with total disregard for recent sales and the fact you can not find a replacement at the present time. So, as many have asked me throughout the years, can you trust PSA with your cherished collectables? The answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT and if they do destroy your card they have no intention of making things right…I miss Joe Orlando.
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Sorry this happened to you. The damaging of cards seems like an all too regular posting around this forum lately. Reading threads like this make me cringe. I would be very nervous to submit anything raw, especially something of high value or of extreme rarity. I would rather purchase the card I want already graded on eBay than to deal with the submission issues lately (damaged cards, late turnaround times, inconsistent gradings, poor customer service, etc.). I know PSA is the cream of the crop of grading companies but lately it seems like something is not right.
topcat, what value did you put on the submission form when you sent the pack to PSA?
$1000, recent sales are $1200. Doesnt matter because if i put $3000, they would say recent sales. It should be replacement cost, which at this point you cant even replace.
what does a PSA 6 pack sell for??
I cant recall the last psa 6 at auction or ebay. The 8’s are very rare, it just so happens the same seller sold a few 8’s recently at $1200 per. The point is i had an 8 and they took that away from me and i cant replace it right now
That sucks and I also would be very upset if that happened to me but you have to realize how much volume PSA must handle and grade every day. Sorry this happened to you.
That’s just Awful…
I've had incidents where I got what I thought was fair compensation after they damaged something then other times where I knew that whatever their resolution would be probably wouldn't be enough so I didn't even bother contacting them about it and just sold the items off.
The last time this happened I just decided that with this hobby, stuff like this can happen at any part of the process. It could be PSA one time then the USPS the next or FedEx on the return. It could be a seller's/buyer's fault that a card got damaged during shipping or even when an item goes through Ebay's authentication process with someone handling it then.
OP,most of us feel your pain brother,we've unfortunately been in that same situation. We pay good money for certain pieces of cardboard in the best condition possible but once it leaves your hand (or before it gets to it) anything can happen. It really sucks but that's just the reality when you buy then grade cards.
Eric
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The pack topcat is talking about was basically impossible to find for over a decade. Some of the packs from a full box were recently graded and sold. So the only sales data are all very recent.
This folks is what occurs when there is no viable competition. Sure an accident can happen to anybody, but what I speak of is the company's truly vile responses to their own mistake!
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I think that considering the number of items handled at PSA, their attrition rate is probably pretty low. whenever humans are involved in a process, there is the potential for error. Have you tried calling and speaking to someone over the phone?
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I agree mistakes are made, but PSA should make you whole when they admit they are responsible for damage. It's only the right thing to do. The amount we're talking about here is peanuts compared to 20 years of business from a customer.
Erik, nice post.
Did you receive a picture/scan of the damage and verify it's your card on the back? Maybe some random chance another pack was being graded by the same specialist and yours got mixed up. I hope it is made right in the end. It stinks when your nightmares become a reality.
If you don't know what the pack is worth now, how can you say that $200 is an unfair offer/amount? I completely get your frustration, but these things happen and PSA can't fix your pack. The most it can do is offer you the difference. I'd be surprised if there was no method of appeal, but you don't seem to have a firm grasp of what the pack was worth then or what it's worth now.
I paid $950 for a psa 7 version
OP- Brutal that PSA damaged something so special to you. That truly sucks. PSA has got to do a better job.
Just using APR, there’s been three sold this year for much more than $200.
Curious about the rare, mysterious and beautiful 1951 Wheaties Premium Photos?
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/987963/1951-wheaties-premium-photos-set-registry#latest
Have any PSA 6 packs sold this year?
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No - results are very limited. There was one more legitimate 7 listed, sold in 2021 for $1110.01.
https://www.psacard.com/auctionprices/packs/1973-topps-wacky-packages-wax-pack/wacky-packages/values/721427
Curious about the rare, mysterious and beautiful 1951 Wheaties Premium Photos?
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/987963/1951-wheaties-premium-photos-set-registry#latest
…but I know nothing about 1973 Topps Wacky Packages whatsoever, Dan. Just what I can glean from the PSA data provided.
Literally.
From what I understand, the offer from PSA will be along the lines of the difference in value. So I’m guessing a PSA 6 pack is like a $750ish value according to PSA, if they’re using the above.
I imagine the OP follows these closely if he collects them, and probably has a good handle on the current prices these are going for. And if he’s still got his PSA 6 and hasn’t sold it, it’s probably going to have no sales data associated with it. For what it’s worth, PSA 6 is the lowest graded pack on the pop report, which features 2 9’s, 33 8’s, 12 7’s and 1 PSA 6 for 48 total Series 1 packs graded…
Curious about the rare, mysterious and beautiful 1951 Wheaties Premium Photos?
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/987963/1951-wheaties-premium-photos-set-registry#latest
Right, all 48 packs are from the same full box. Before two years ago, there were literally zero packs like his on the census. Before these were graded, this pack was viewed to be worth about $1000 in good shape. Graded packs are very new to the wacky packages hobby and the kind of data PSA would base such a decision on doesn’t really exist.
That is very unfortunate. I loved them, my dresser drawers had about 20 off them stuck to him!
I know it wasn't your intent but maybe there could still be a silver lining. What if you ripped it? Now that it's lost over half it's value you could just open it. It might it contains one the big hit cards!
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If they damaged the pack, the cards are most likely damaged
And the chances of $1000 worth of contents is very slim under the best of circumstances.
I agree with both of you but there is a chance it could just be top card damage, etc. I am just trying to be optimistic.
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The same optimism folks who lay the powerball have
Although in fairness odds of winning that is greater than this pack having any PSA 10's (or 9's) in it after being damaged. 10's are what you need for those Wacky's BTW. The value of the pack is predicated on it's sealed scarcity and at one time near non-existence in grades above 7
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Do you have the pack back, or are you just taking PSA's word re the condition?
I am not the OP. I think it's confusing for people because the OP and I both use the LedZep avatar.
I am going to bow out on this thread to avoid the confusion.
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I think PSA should give u the option of letting them keep the PSA 6 pk & paying u market value on the 8 pack.
IMO..
I agree with Picklepete...I do not want the 6 back, it is useless to my collection. They have not sent me a picture of the damage and so far they have been "researching" the value for 2 weeks. Not difficult, as Paul Maul pointed out there has only been ones graded from the same ultra rare box and very few have been offered for sale.
As far as the cards possibly being ok, that is not an option. There are only 2 cards per pack and it would not make sense to crack open the pack especially since the odds are high they are damaged.
There is another 8 on eBay, but it’s a well known flipper trying to make a quick $500 profit…
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225456265045?hash=item347e3d9755
US $1,599.95 - Hopefully OP gets that. The $200 amount was laughable and near 20 year customer deserves more.
Sorry about the suggestion to open the pack but I am a degenerate ripper that can't keep anything unopened for longer than a year. I have tried!
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
ungraded they are $600
https://www.ebay.com/itm/155518238500?hash=item24359bff24:g:RekAAOSwFZ1kRFKb
Maybe PSA should keep the 6 and purchase the 8 that is on ebay. Let them negotiate the price and just replace your item. It's them who should be jumping through the hoops to put an 8 back in your hands.
It's unrealistic, not necessarily unreasonable, to expect to get back what you provided because these items are scarce. Determining the value is somewhat subjective because everyone uses raw auction sales figures but nobody mentions skimming 13%+ for eBay/auction fees.
Auction prices include a huge service. Try to get auction prices at a garage sale, local convention, or through your social media marketplace. So using ebay isn't necessarily the price it is worth because a service is tied to the value.
With ebay you may get money back guarantee, authentication guarantee, shipping discounts, and other benefits which should detract from the value odlf the item.
I'm not looking to rain on a parade. I cannot put myself in your situation and fully understand it but I am trying to understand what a grading company needs to consider when these situations arise because they are likely a case by case scenario. There may be a blanket rule at PSA but that's because a baseline needs established. Do they deviate from the baseline rule when necessary? I'd imagine they are trying to be as fair as possible. If not then I would suspect a lot more PSA bashing on other forums.